GITANAS Summaries in English from Telenovela-World Nov. 1, 2004 – Mar. 23, 2005 [FIN]
USA (Telemundo) July 27, 2004 – Mar. 23, 2005 [FIN]
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USA, Nov. 1-5, 2004
Telenovela-World: Please can somebody translate the depth of Jovanka’s
words… [USA, 11/1/04] Author: Symell
(---) Date: 11-01-04 19:55 PST
tonight in her dialogue with Juan??I
couln’t understand or perceive
much of it.I think it was something cleaver
to delve into the passion /love issue between these two!!!He tried to make a
point between passion and real love???Did she tried to bring up Jesus name ???
I did not understand her spanish well tonight!!
Please can somebody help ???
Thank you .
spanish and english transcript of their
conversation Author: Jess (---) Date:
11-02-04 01:20 PST This was truly a great scene. So
I’m happily watching it again to give a transcription of what they said. I’m
writing it in Spanish first, then english in case anyone wants to give a better
translation, I might take some liberties and I’ll try my best to convey what
they were saying.
Spanish Version (sorry don’t know how to
do accents):
Padre Juan: No, basta, basta Jovanka basta,
esto no puede ser, basta.
Jovanka: Solo dime que no me enamore sola.
P J: No Jovanka, no te enamoraste sola, yo
tambien me enamore de ti. Si Jovanka, si me enamore de ti. (Se dan un beso
apasionado, si fuera Jovanka)
Jo: ?Y ahora que vamos a hacer con esto?
P J: Guardarlo, guardarlo como un hermoso
recuerdo y nada mas.
Jo: ?Como?
P J: Enamorarse no es amar. Amar es otra
cosa.
Jo: ?De que estas hablando?
P J: Enamorarse de alguien es idealizarlo,
sonar con que algo puede funcionar y eso es lo que ha pasado con nosotros dos.
Nos enamoramos porque tenemos carencias y afectos perdidos que tratamos de
buscar el uno en el otro.
Jo: ?Porque tienes que buscar una
explicacion absurda al amor que sentimos el uno por el otro?
P J: Porque no es amor Jovanka. No puede
ser, no lo es, no lo fue jamas y no lo sera.
Jo: Asi que lo que sentimos el uno por el
otro no es amor?
P J: Jovanka por el amor de Dios, estoy
tratando de buscarle una explicacion logica a todo esto y creame que no es
sencillo, pero yo creo que es eso, enamoramiento nada mas.
J: Nuestras carencias de afecto, carino
P J: Asi es, igual que le pasa a los
adolescentes que se refugian en el deseo por alguien, pero en definitiva es
eso, un refugio nada mas. Pero eso no es amor.
Jo: Como es posible que te mientas tan
descaradamente? Dime lo que quieras, que esto no es posible, que no puede ser,
que seria un pecado muy grande, que no debemos, dime cualquiera de esas cosas,
pero no te atrevas a decir que esto es un invento.
P J: Jovanka amar a alguien va mucho mas
alla de, de desearse, quererse o necesitarse, es amar, es pensar como hacer
feliz a la otra persona por encima de uno mismo. Eso es amar. (Estas oyendo
Jonasss?, toma notas y aprenda algo)
Jo: Y si yo te dijera que conmigo podrias
llegar a ser mucho mas feliz que con…
P J: (Juan la detiene antes de que llega
demasiado lejos) No, por favor Jovanka, no menciones su nombre, no lo digas ni
en broma, no tenemos el derecho ni la potestad para entrar en esa discusion.
Jo: Pues debes entrar en esa discusion, tu
amor por el es tan fuerte y eso no es una idealizacion?, un enamoramiento? No
sera asi? Que el enamoramiento esta en el, que idealizaste tu relacion con el y
lo nuestro puede que sea el verdadero amor. (Juan casi toca su cara, casi la
acaricia, pero en eso entra Rafael y estropea todo)
English translation:
Juan: No, that’s enough, stop Jovanka,
stop, this can’t be, that’s enough.
Jovanka: Just tell me that I didn’t fall in
love by myself, tell me.
J: No Jovanka, you didn’t fall in love by
yourself, I also fell in love with you. (They give each other a passionate
kiss. If only I were Jovanka) Yes Jovanka, yes I fell in love with you.
Jo: And now what are we going to do about
this?
J: Save it, keep it as a beautiful memory
and nothing else.
Jo: How?
J: To fall in love is not to love, to love
is something else.
Jo: What are you talking about?
J: To fall in love with someone is to
idealize that person, dream that something can work and that is what has
happened with us. We fell in love because we are lacking something and we have
affections that were lost, that we are trying to find in each other.
Jo: Why must you look for an absurd
explanation to the love we feel for each other?
J: Because its not love Jovanka, it can’t
be, it isn’t, it never was and never will be.
Jo: So then what we feel for each other is
not love?
J: Jovanka, for the love of God I’m trying
to find a logical explanation to all this and believe me its not easy, but I
think that it is falling in love, and nothing else.
Jo: Our lack/need of affection?
J: That’s right, just like what happens to
adolescents who find refuge in their desire for someone, but in short it is
that, only a refuge, but that’s not love.
Jo: How is it posible that you lie to
yourself so shamelessly? Tell me whatever you want, that this is not posible,
that it can’t be, that it would be a huge sin, that we shouldn’t. Tell me
anyone of those things and more but don’t you dare say that this is an
invention.
J: Jovanka, loving someone goes way beyond
wanting each other, caring for each other or needing each other. To love is to
think of how to make the other person happy even above oneself. That is love
(Jonass are you listening? Take notes and learn something)
Jo: And if I told you that with me you
could arrive to be much more happy than with…
J: (Juan stops her before she goes too far)
No, please Jovanka, don’t mention his name, don’t say it, please, not even as a
joke, we do not have the right or authority to enter into that discussion.
Jo: Well you should enter into that
discussion, your love for him is so strong and that is not an idealization?, a
falling in love? Couldn’t that be it? That the falling in love is with him,
that you idealized your relationship with him and what we have could be true
love. (Then Rafael walks in and ruins everything)
Re: I would have written that scene
differently Author: Victor F.
(---) Date: 11-02-04 06:03 PST
Scene—Yovanka’s living room—Juan and
Yovanka hugging, entres Rafael
Rafael: Que es esto?
Juan: No es lo que te imaginas.
Rafael: Hipocrita, roba amantes
Yovanka: Rafael vete de mi casa, estas
interrumpiendo algo importante
Rafael: (Dirigiendose a Yovanka) Zorra,
maldita, traidora.
Yovanka: (dirigiendose a Rafael) Tu abuela.
Juan: Mejor me voy y los dejo solos.
Yovanka: (Dirigiendose a Juan) Juan tu no
vas. Esto lo voy a arreglar ahora. (Dirigiendose a Rafael) Tu vete para la
calle. (Dirigiendose a Juan) Juan, vete a la cama y me esperas.
Martes
2 de noviembre – no hay capítulo
Telenovela-World: ** Summary, Wed 11/3/04 **
Author: Robin N (---)
Date: 11-04-04 07:28 PST
Yanko meets with Salomé, per Sebastián’s
request. He begins to tell her his story (unrequited love for Milenka) and
she’s confused as to why. Why is he worried about her wedding the next day? He
tells her he’s never agreed with gitano laws concerning how a woman has no say
in her marriage. He asks her if she really wants to marry Jonás.
Magdalena visits Camila and tells her all
went badly with her last attempt to get out of marrying Mirko: instead she was
playing house (setting up their newlywed tent). Camila wonders why she just
doesn’t refuse to marry but Magdalena says that she can’t go against her people’s
laws. Camila wonders if all gitano laws are like that, men having all the say,
men choosing. Magdalena affirms the truth of this and Camila can’t believe her
ears. Bitterly she tells her friend that she wants to die. Magda, alarmed, begs
her to tell her what’s wrong.
Saschenka prods Branko to talk about why
Camila was in his room. She suspects that Branko made the girl fall in love
with him. He denies this charge and tells her not to worry: it’s just the two
of them and no one else matters.
Rafael is drinking (again) in the office.
Sebastián enters and asks why. Rafael starts off on his litany of woes but
stops himself. “I’m a mediocre failure,” he complains. Sebastián reassures him
that this is not true and asks if his father went to see Jovanka. Rafael sadly
admits he did, but now things are different with her; she wants nothing to do
with him and it’s eating him up inside. “There’s another man in her life…”
Sebastián wonders who; another gitano? Rafael decides he’ll go drink in the
tavern and leave Sebastián alone but his son begs him to stay and talk to him,
to confide in him.
Yanko presses onward with his confession to
Salomé. She can’t figure out why he’s telling her this, until he starts getting
to his point. He recounts how he loves a gitana and how she’s married to
another but if he’d spoken up sooner, he might have had a chance at happiness.
Salomé is amazed and asks who the woman is. She’s shocked to learn it’s Milenka
and blurts out that Milenka is very happy with Vanya. Yanko begs her not to tell.
He recognizes that Milenka loves Vanya; but he’s lost out all the same, for
cowardice.
Magdalena begs Camila to tell her what is
wrong. Camila tells her that she saw the baby’s father but it’s all off; he
never loved her. “He’s getting married!” Magdalena wants to know who he is but
just then Claudio comes over, seeking Camila. When he sees Magda, he insults
her, yet again.
Rafael tells his son it feels weird to talk
to him about such matters and Sebastián agrees that it does. Usually, his
father would talk to Juan about these things… But, assures Sebastián, he
understands his father. Rafael wretchedly confesses to his son that his actions
towards Jovanka have never been capricious. “I needed to prove that our love
was true. It’s my own fault that I have lost the last 20 years by her side,” he
anguishes. Sebastián doesn’t understand – at first – how his father can still
have such strong feelings after 20 years, but then he recalls the strength of
his feelings in a series of flashbacks to his moments with Salomé and bites off
those words. He does indeed understand. The problem is though, as he sees it,
is that maybe it is too late. You have to fight the battle at the moment, or
else it’s too late. Fight it at the time it’s happening.
Yanko is echoing these same sentiments to
Salomé. She can only wonder, “Why me? Why do you say these things to me?”
(“Okay, honey, let me spell it out for you…”) explains that he knows that she
loves another and it’s not Jonás. He worries for her sake because he knows what
this is like; he still loves Milenka. He begs her to be sure that she doesn’t
still love Sebastián before she marries.
Claudio continues to insult Magdalena and
asks about her wedding. He mocks that the loser who is marrying her must be
either desperate or crazy. She sadly remarks that for a moment, she thought he
wasn’t such a bad person. She vows that one day, a gitana will teach him a
lesson. Claudio asks after Michelle and Camila tells him she’s surely returned
to France. Magdalena speaks up and contradicts her friend. No, Michelle will
visit the bar that evening: how could she not want to see her novio?
Yanko presses on with Salomé. She confides
in him that she saw Sebastián with Eréndira, kissing and hugging, and she
angrily told him her love was over and she never wanted to see him again. Yanko
wisely asks if this was anger/disgust or jealousy. Salomé breaks down and
admits that she lied: she does love him, but she feels that he doesn’t love her
like he used to and there’s nothing she can do about her current situation.
After Claudio leaves, Camila asks Magdalena
why she’s letting Michelle come back. Magdalena exclaims that she was a fool to
pity Claudio and tonite she’s going to make him take it all back. She also
plans to make the guy who got Camila pregnant pay too. Who is he? Camila won’t
tell her friend. She just wants to forget him, she says, but by the look on her
face, she’s thinking revenge too.
Victoria barges into Baldomero’s shack and
demands to talk to him. She wants to know why Eréndira was there and what is
the photo he showed her niece. Baldomero futilely asks her to leave. Victoria
threatens him yet again.
Claudio is in the tavern that night,
bragging to his circle of friends (underage drinkers if you ask me) about his
beautiful novia. Camila and Michelle enter the bar and we see his pals
amazement.
Baldomero demands that Victoria leave his
home but she’s not going without that photo. Baldomero explains that he didn’t
show a photo to Eréndira, she was messing with his things. This inspires
Victoria, who begins her own search of the shack. Baldomero can only beg her
not to do so.
Juan prays desperately to God to have pity
on him. He confesses that he cannot be false to Him any longer; something did
happen between him and Jo. He anguishes, “How do I go on?”
Jovanka is praying too, to Santa Sara, for
help in understanding her love. Yes, she admits it: she’s in love for the
second time in her life and again with the wrong man. He’s doubly wrong for her
because he’s not a gitano and he’s a priest.
Juan continues to despair. He wonders how
he can enter the pulpit and preach to his parishioners, feeling the way he
does, if he can’t live up to his vows. He proclaims that he’s not fit to guide
his flock, nor to serve Him and it hurts to know that he cannot serve God. “Why
(did this happen)?” he cries out.
Jovanka continues her own confession to
Saschenka too. She tells the santa that she feels so bad for Juan’s suffering.
She acknowledges that she cannot force her daughters to marry and make the
mistakes she’s made. Salomé enters and overhears this last conversation. The
women’s eyes meet.
Sebastián is sitting on a bench in the
plaza and Yanko races up. He tells Sebastián that he indeed told all to Salomé
and it’s as Sebastián thought – she does love you. Sebastián is elated to know
this.
Salomé asks her mother what she means by
what she said and Jovanka asks how much Salomé heard. Enough. Jovanka doesn’t
want to talk about it but Salomé does. “You’re in love with Padre Juan!”
Jovanka tries desperately to avoid this conversation and tells her daughter she
doesn’t want to upset her before the wedding. Salomé states with conviction
that this is beginning to clear things up for her.
Yanko tells Sebastián that Salomé felt
disgust and jealousy when she saw him with Eréndira. Sebastián tries to explain
that Eréndira is his cousin and he feels nothing for her.
Salomé compares her hand with Jovanka’s and
shows the same mark they carry: the sign of love for a gayó. She demands that
Jovanka tell her the truth about her love for Juan. Jovanka tries to deny it
and say that sure, she loves him, as a man of God worthy of respect but Salomé
asks again, “Do you love him as a man?”
Victoria is smashing up Baldomero’s place and
finally spies his box. He pleads with her to leave it but she wants to find
that photo. When she does, she demands to know why he has it, what is it to
him. He reaches out for it but she pushes him away and he falls on his bed,
hitting his head. Taking the photo and his box, she leaves, telling the old man
that he got what he deserved. He’s hurt, but we can still see him breathing.
Sebastián impulsively tells Yanko that he’s
got to stop the wedding and take Salomé far away. There’s not a second to lose,
he tells Yanko, and thanks him. Yanko anxiously tells Sebastián that this is
crazy, it’s too late, but Sebastián triumphantly states that it’s never too
late and dashes off. Eréndira draws close, out of the darkness and curses
Yanko. He asks her if she was listening and she curses him again. She tells him
to leave and threatens to make a scandal. Alone, she tearfully wonders what she
should do next.
Claudio and Magdalena/Michelle hold hands
as Camila and his buddies watch on avidly. He explains his frustration at not
being able to find her and get in touch with her. Magdalena tell him she should
leave him forever because she doesn’t want to hurt him or be hurt by him.
Claudio protests that he loves her and would never hurt her. He thought she
felt the same way. She says that she has her own fears though, and needs some
proof of his love for her… though he might not be willing.
Rodrigo is slumped on his sofa in the gloom
and he senses the approach of Eréndira. He wonders why he is enjoying the
pleasure of her visit. She needs his help, she tells him, Sebastián is going to
run away with Salomé. “And that affects me how?” he remarks, disinterestedly.
She demands his help and he tells her it’s going to cost her more this time.
She agrees, but sinisterly remarks that this time he cannot leave any loose
ends like before. Even he is startled by this ominous remark.
Claudio asks what type of proof Michelle
needs and she tells him that she’s afraid he’ll fool her, lie to her. A gitana
told her that he would. Claudio asks her if she believes that stuff and
Michelle tells him that she knows the gitana who told her. He suspiciously
ventures that it’s Magdalena, right? He insults Magdalena again, calling her a
thief and filthy liar, like all gitanos. Holding back her rage, she asks him to
proclaim his love for her and he agrees. He stands up before all assembled and
states his feelings. He proclaims that he loves this woman and then he gets
down on one knee before her and passionately declares that he cannot live his life
without her. Victory! Magdalena pulls off her wig and reveals herself, to the
horror of Claudio. “I swore you’d kneel before a gitana one day,” she tells
him, then reaches into her bag and pulls out the long awaited wedding necklace
of Milenka’s and holds it in his face. She angrily wonders how a thief like him
has the nerve to speak so of anyone else. All eyes are glued on this scene and
Claudio looks like he wishes he could evaporate!
*A buen entendedor, pocas palabras bastan.*
Telenovela-World: MAJOR SPOILER (VISIBLE) FOR THE WCC: ROBIN CALLED
IT! [USA, 11/4/04] Author: maritere (---) Date:
11-04-04 18:48 PST
Yes, it was Evil Erendira and Raunchy
Rodrigo who had Rafael hanging – but Juan and Sebastian got there in time to
cut him down, much to Erendira’s dismay.
Robin,
great job of prediction: are you planning to take Paska’s role as wise woman of
the tribe??
J mt
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USA, Nov. 8 – 12, 2004
Telenovela-World:
Oh my
God! So much to say, so little space… spoilers for West Coast [USA,
11/8/04] Author: Millie (---) Date:
11-08-04 19:32 PST
What happened to the previews??? Jonas did not get shot.
Maybe that was an alternate scene that never made it throught the editing room?
And what about Mirko getting caught? It was
great to see Claudio demanding Mirko to tell the truth- although I thought he
would have said something directly to Magdalena too…
And Sebastian telling Yovanka she is the
least capable of giving direction to Salome on what to do… Can you believe what
the rest of the gypsies would do if they find out about Padre Juan??
And Sebastian pretty much telling the slimy
woman to mind her own business??
I was laughing out loud through the scene
between Sandra’s mom and the husband when he said he had to hear her every
night calling Vanya’s name!!! The only thing missing in the family is to the
father to fall for a gitana as well!!!
It was a if everyone had a truth setum
today.
Everyone’s acting was just great!!
-Millie
Re: ITA: So much to say, so little space… spoilers for West
Coast Author: timoteo (---) Date:
11-08-04 20:22 PST
Yes, and what about Queen Vicky talking to
Mr. Abusive and confronting Erendira?
It almost seems as if so many loose ends
were tied up, that they are thinking of shutting down early (I HOPE NOT!).
Of course, we don’t know whether Salome
will make a getaway with Sebastian. My money would be on Sebastian whipping
Jonas in “Gitano Steel: The Grudge Match”, but this is subject to the
storyline, not my assessments.
Branko and Mirko have their cover blown for
good. The door is open for a Claudio-Magdalena thing.
Jovanka did a nice job of putting her foot
in her mouth, and Sebastian obliged by shoving it in for her. The stage seems
to be set for “Sashenkshrew” to find out a few interesting points about her
gitana pedigree.
There’s a boom to be lowered on finding out
how Erendira’s wrecked the company. I wonder if the Dominguez fishery will be
rescued by Jovanka’s money in the end?
Yes, it does seem like Vanya’s masterpiece
may well become the final straw in his demise as Patriarch.
My favorite part was seeing that big
mouthed phony Paska’s smile getting wiped off her face. It was like somebody
gave her a big pie in the mug!
timoteo
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USA, Nov. 15 – 19, 2004
Telenovela-World: Re: What Happened? [USA, 11/16/04] Author: Gaviot (---) Date:
11-17-04 05:31 PST
Padre Juan married Sebastian and Salome in
a woodland ceremony, but not before baptizing and confirming her. Apparently
she didn’t have to take any classes or make any declaration of faith. I guess
Padre Juan knows his bible or at least the story of Ruth who declared (if
memory serves me right) “Whither thou goest, I will go, your people will be my
people, your God, my God.” So I guess her wanting to be with Sebastian was
enough faith in Juan’s book.
Drago did kick Padre Juan repetedly and
only stopped when Jonas told him to. I know some will see his lack of fighting
back as something that makes him “poco hombre”, but I think it was in
character, as well as smart. If he had fought back, I think Drago would have felt
justified pulling his knife and Padre Juan would have been killed.
Jovanka helped Padre Juan to his bed,
pulled his shirt off of him, saw his bruises and asked if one of her tribe had
done this to him. He didn’t say it was Gitanos who had done it, but she
certainly suspects. All she did was run her hands softly over the bruises and
found he was burning up with fever.
Telenovela-World: Dialogue – Juan/Jovanka (Friday’s episode) [USA,
11/19/04] Author: Tuly (---) Date:
11-19-04 20:31 PST
Jovanka – How can you even think of the
possibility of leaving behind the life you lead for me?
Juan – What’s wrong? I thought you …
Jovanka – You thought wrong. I don’t want
you to leave the priesthood for me. I don’t want to be responsible for that.
Juan – No, Jovanka. I’m not asking you to
be responsible [for the decision]. The only one responsible for my actions is
me, and what I do I will do for myself. But please understand me … I can’t be
divided in two parts. I need to clear this up, I need to clarify things so that
I won’t be a hypocrite before God.
Jovanka – Then clarify things without
taking me into consideration.
Juan – What’s wrong, Jovanka? We talked
about it this morning. You told me that we had to keep our feelings quiet. You
know what? Now I feel differently … I think we have to confront what’s
happening to us.
Jovanka – I don’t want to confront
anything.
Juan – And what about everything that’s
happened? It wasn’t that long ago that we kissed in this same place, and you
talked to me about love, and I also …
Jovanka – Enough! I don’t want to hear it;
I don’t want to know anything about it. The only important thing right now is
my daughter and finding out her whereabouts.
Juan – Jovanka, your daughter is in the arms
of the man that she loves. And you and I were on the verge of kissing again
this morning. We have to find a solution to all of this, Jovanka, we have to
confront it. A little movement [on my part] and I would kiss you … and you
would respond to that kiss. Do you think that’s right?
Jovanka – Who told you that I would respond
to your kiss? You’re full of yourself, proud, vain … those are also sins,
Father.
Juan – You spent the night in my room, a
place where no one had gone before, no one other than me.
Jovanka – I was taking care of you, I was
doing a charitable act for a sick person.
Juan – You know very well it wasn’t that
way, Jovanka!
Jovanka – Ire … that’s another deadly sin,
FATHER.
Juan – Okay, I understand now. Don’t worry,
don’t worry because you won’t have to get involved. I’m the one at a crossroads
and I have to confront this.
Jovanka – Yes, and what you decide you will
have to decide alone.
Juan – I’ve always had that clear. It
wasn’t my intention that you decide for me because it’s true … that decision is
far greater than what a man could feel for a woman. But I felt the need to
share it with you, or maybe get your advice, I’m not sure … but now I see that
I was mistaken. Cowardice is not a good counselor.
**********************ESPAÑOL*******************
Jovanka - ¿Cómo puedes siquiera pensar en
la posibilidad de dejar la vida que llevas por mí?
Juan - ¿Qué me estás diciendo? Yo pensé que
tú …
Jovanka – Pensaste mal. Yo no quiero que tú
dejes el sacerdocio por mí. No quiero hacerme responsable de eso.
Juan – No, Jovanka. Yo no te pido que te
hagas responsable. El único responsable de mis actos soy yo, y lo que haga en
primera instancia sera por mí. Pero por favor entiéndeme … yo no puedo estar
dividido en dos partes. Necesito aclararme, tengo que aclararme para no ser
hipócrita ante Dios.
Jovanka – Entonces aclárate sin tenerme en
cuenta.
Juan - ¿Qué pasa, Jovanka? Esta mañana lo
hablamos. Tú dijiste que teníamos que callar lo que sentíamos el uno por el
otro. ¿Sabes qué? Yo ahora creo lo contrario … tenemos que enfrentar lo que nos
está pasando.
Jovanka – Yo no quiero enfrentar nada.
Juan - ¿Y lo que ha pasado qué? No hace
mucho nos besamos en este lugar, y tú me hablaste de amor y yo también …
Jovanka - ¡Ya basta! No quiero escucharte;
no quiero saber nada de eso. Ahora lo importante es mi hija y saber donde está.
Juan – Jovanka, tu hija está en brazos del
hombre que ama. Y tú y yo estuvimos a punto de besarnos esta mañana otra vez.
Tenemos que encontrar una solución a todo esto Jovanka, hay que enfrentarlo. Un
pequeño movimiento y yo te besaría … y tú responderías a ese beso. ¿Eso te
parece correcto?
Jovanka - ¿Quién te ha dicho que
respondería a ese beso? Creído, orgulloso, vanidoso … esos también son pecados,
Padre.
Juan – Pasaste la noche en mi cuarto, un
lugar donde nadie había entrado, nadie más que yo.
Jovanka – Estaba cuidándote, hacía una obra
de caridad para un enfermo.
Juan - ¡Sabes muy bien que eso no es así,
Jovanka!
Jovanka – La ira … otro pecado capital, PADRE.
Juan – Ya, ya entendí. No te preocupes, no
te preocupes que no tendrás que involucrarte. Yo soy el que está en una
disyuntiva y tengo que enfrentarlo.
Jovanka – Sí, y lo que decidas tendrás que
hacerlo solo.
Juan – Siempre he estado claro en eso. No
pretendí que tú decidieras por mí porque es verdad … esa decisión va mucho más
allá de lo que un hombre pueda sentir por una mujer. Pero sentí la necesidad de
contártelo, o talvez buscar un consejo, no sé, pero ya veo que fue un error. La
cobardía no es buena consejera.
Telenovela-World: Dialogue – Victoria/Juan (Friday’s
episode) [USA, 11/19/04] Author: Tuly (---) Date: 11-19-04 21:04 PST
Victoria – I invited you over, so I direct
this conversation.
Juan – Okay, I’m listening.
Victoria – Juan, that gypsy …
Juan – Are we going to talk about the same
thing again, Mother?
Victoria – No, it’s not about the same
thing.
Juan – Oh no? It’s not about Jovanka, about
how she manipulates me, about how she poisons me?
Victoria – No, it’s not about her, I want
to talk about you … not about you as a priest, but as a man of flesh and bones
with the same weaknesses as everybody else.
Juan – Mother, I don’t know what you’re
trying to get at. Please get to the point.
Victoria – All right, I’ll do that. I know
that besides being a priest you are a man, you have your needs, your repressed
passions.
Juan – Pardon me, Mother, but that’s not a
topic that I have the least bit of interest in discussing with you.
Victoria – I’m your mother, I worry about
everything that happens to you. You’re suffering, Juan, and you’re confusing
everything. That which you call love is nothing more than a need. It’s normal,
it happens to every man.
Juan – Oh Mother, I can’t believe this. I
can’t believe that you’re telling me this.
Victoria – But those needs can be satisfied
without having to leave your apostolate. Let’s not play dumb, Juan, a lot of
priests do it. They act out on their needs in secret and they continue with
their ecclesiastic path … why can’t you do the same?
Juan – Oh Mother, Mother. You’re telling me
that I can go to bed with any woman and I can continue being priest as if
nothing had happened?
Victoria – It’s only something physical,
Juan, something that would take you out of that obssessivve state in which you
find yourself in. Anyway, if other priests do it, why can’t you?
Juan – I don’t care what other priests do …
I do NOT want to be like that. I’m confused, you’re right, and I have to make a
decision, but I have no doubt that the answer doesn’t lie in what you’re
proposing to me.
Victoria – Then what is the answer? Don’t
tell me that your decision will be to leave your ministry?
Juan – I haven’t made a decision yet,
Mother, but I’m not going to lie to you … yes, I’m thinking about it.
Victoria – You’re crazy! What?!? For that
floozy?
Juan – You said we weren’t going to talk
about her. I beg you to please not mention Jovanka.
Victoria – You’re throwing your entire life
away. You could go very far in you ecclesiastic career if you wanted to. Are
you going to give it all up for a woman?
Juan – Mother, you know very well that I’ve
never regarded my path in the Church in that way, but rather because of my love
for others and my love for God.
Victoria – Love for God … and now you want
to betray it and dirty it.
Juan – Who can understand you? A few
minutes ago you were saying that it wouldn’t matter if I had a fling with a
woman so long as it was simply an affair. And now you’re telling me that you
think I’m dirtying my love for God because I want to do things the right way?
What strange morals you have, Mother.
Victoria – Don’t get sarcastic with me,
Juan. It’s the same thing for married men … they can have a lover, but the wife
is the wife.
Juan – Mother, I think I’ve had enough.
Victoria – Of course, leave, run away! When
I suggested that you have a fling with a woman, it was in a desperate attempt
to retain you in the place where you should be: the Church. If you abandon it,
you would not only be letting me down, but also all of those humble and needy
people who believe in you. Those for which you wanted to become a priest. By
turning your back on the priesthood you would be thrusting aside hundreds of
people that would stop believing in the Church because you don’t believe in it anymore!
Is that what you want? That your flock should lose its faith?
**********************ESPAÑOL*******************
Victoria – Yo te invité, así que yo soy la
que tiene que hablarte.
Juan – Está bien, te escucho.
Victoria – Juan, esa gitana …
Juan - ¿Vamos a hablar de lo mismo, mama?
Victoria – No, no es de lo mismo.
Juan - ¿Ah no? No es de Jovanka, de como
ella me manipula, de como ella me envenena?
Victoria – No, no es sobre ella, es sobre
tí que quiero hablar … no como sacerdote sino como hombre de carne y hueso, con
las mismas debilidades que cualquiera.
Juan – Mamá, no entiendo que me estás
tratando de decir con todos esos rodeos. Te pido por favor que vayas al grano.
Victoria – Está bien, voy a hacerlo. Yo sé
que tú ademas de ser sacerdote eres hombre, tienes tus necesidades, tus
pasiones reprimidas.
Juan – Perdóname, Mamá, pero es un tema que
no tengo el menor interés de tratar contigo.
Victoria – Soy tu madre, me preocupa todo
lo que te pasa. Estás sufriendo, Juan, y estás confundiendo todo. Eso que tú
crees amor no es mas que una necesidad. Es natural, a todos los hombres les
pasa.
Juan – Ay, Mamá, no lo puedo creer. No
puedo creer lo que me estás diciendo.
Victoria – Pero esas necesidades se pueden
satisfacer sin tener que salirte de tu apostolado. No nos hagamos tontos, Juan,
muchos sacerdotes lo hacen … desahogan sus necesidades a escondidas y siguen
sus camino ecleasiástico, ¿por qué tú no puedes hacer lo mismo?
Juan – Ay, Mamá, Mamá. ¿Me dices que me
puedo acostar con cualquier mujer y puedo seguir siendo sacerdote como si nada?
Victoria – Es simplemente algo físico,
Juan, algo que te saque del estado obsesivo en el que estás metido. Además, si
otros sacerdotes lo hacen, ¿por qué tú no?
Juan – A mí no me importa que otros sacerdotes
lo hagan … yo NO quiero ser así. Estoy confundido, sí, y tengo que tomar una
decisión, pero no me cabe la menor duda que la respuesta no es la que tú estás
planteando.
Victoria - ¿Entonces cuál es? ¿No me digas
que esa decisión va a ser dejar tu ministerio?
Juan – Todavía no he tomado ninguna
decisión, Mamá, pero a tí no te voy a engañar … sí, lo estoy pensando.
Victoria - ¡Pero tú estás desquiciado! ¿Qué
es lo que vas a hacer? ¿Por esa cualquiera?
Juan – Dijiste que no íbamos a hablar de
ella. Por favor te pido que no menciones a Jovanka.
Victoria – Estás tirando toda una vida a la
basura. Podrías llegar muy lejos en tu carrera eclesiástica si quisieras. ¿Vas
a renunciar a todo eso por una mujer?
Juan – Mamá, sabes muy bien que nunca ví mi
camino en la Iglesia de esa forma, sino por mi amor a los demás y mi amor a
Dios.
Victoria – Amor a Dios … y ahora lo quieres
traicionar y ensuciar.
Juan - ¿Quién te entiende? Hace unos
minutos me dijiste que no importaba que tuviera algo con una mujer con tal de
que fuera simplemente una aventura. ¿Y ahora te parece que ensucio mi amor a
Dios por querer hacer las cosas como se debe? Qué extraña moral tienes, Mamá.
Victoria – No me vengas con ironías, Juan.
Para los hombres casados es así … pueden tener una amante pero la esposa es la
esposa.
Juan – Mamá, creo que esto ya es demasiado
para mí.
Victoria – Claro, ¡vete, huye! Cuando yo te
decía que tuvieras algo con cualquier mujer, era una forma desesperada de
retenerte en el lugar donde debes estar: en la Iglesia. Si la abandonas,
estarías defraudandome no solo a mí, sino a todas las personas humildes y
necesitadas que creen en tí. Esos por los que quisiste ser sacerdote. ¡Negando
tu sacerdocio estarías echando al abandono a cientos de personas que dejarían de
creer en la Iglesia porque tú ya no crees en ella! ¿Eso es lo que quieres? ¿Que
tu pueblo pierda su fe?
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USA, Nov. 22 – 26, 2004
Telenovela-World: Re: last nights SHOW!!! [USA, 11/26/04] Author: Mika (---) Date: 11-27-04 08:18 PST
Be grateful that you missed a disturbing death scene with Ianko. As you may have seen, Drago struck Ianko with a rock – not once, but twice. He then dragged the unconscious Ianko over to a tree and propped him up against it. He took Ianko’s knife, and slashed both his wrists so Ianko would slowly bleed to death. Then he wrote a fake suicide note and stuck it on Ianko’s body. ~ Padre Juan escorted a troubled Jovanka back to her home, after they had a non-successful talk with Vanya. (They asked Vanya to forgive Milenka and bring Ianko back.) Not only did Vanya refuse, but he was hostile towards Jovanka and said “Don’t make me regret the fact that I took you back into the tribe.” So Jovanka had on her best “Woe is me” look, and Padre Juan was only too happy to comfort her. He stroked her hair, and gave her a long lingering hug, and kissed her on the forehead. ~ Sashenka walked in on the tender scene, and when Padre Juan left, she gave Jovanka an angry lecture. ~ Before that, Claudio had come to the house, and he and Magdalena exchanged a couple of tongue twirling kisses. Actually, Magdalena was doing all the tongue twirling…. Claudio left the house numb with shock and almost in a trance. Of course Sashenka walked in on them too. You know she has a talent for walking in on people at the wrong time. ~ Camila walked in on her aunt being mistreated by Rodrigo. Ofelia broke loose, and Rodrigo left the scene. Ofelia then defended him! “He’s not as bad as he looks. He really loves me, but the liquor makes him mean.” Camila was disgusted. ~ Meanwhile, her admirer Mario, proposed marriage to Camila, so she wouldn’t have the abortion. But she didn’t take him up on the offer. He offered to stay by her side in whatever she decides. ~ Queen V had Drago come to her house, and she pulled out a map and told him where she suspects Sebastian and Salome might be. She advised Drago to take Rodrigo along on the search mission, since Rodrigo is a fisherman, and knows the sea. ~ Back at the gypsy camp, Lazlo is sputtering about stripping Vanya of his role as Patriarka. He said that if Vanya remains in charge, he’ll take his family and leave. ~ Stupid Mama Paska lectured Jovanka about the curses that the tribe is suffering, because of Jovanka’s defiance against gypsy law, and now Salome’s. Blah, blah, blah….. shaddup Mama Paska. ~ Salome and Sebastian are still on the beach (which is getting boring), and she was crying as she watched him fish… cause she intends to run away first thing in the morning. ~ Rafael is still in his little motorboat, searching for them….. still shirtless. ~ I think I’ve covered everything… maybe not in exact order, cause I’m not good at recaps. But that’s about everything that happened. One really great part, was that THERE WAS NO ERENDIRA in last night’s episode. That was very nice! ~
Telenovela-World: Friday’s Episode
[USA, 11/26/04] Author: Kathleen (---)
Date: 11-29-04 16:04 PST
I didn’t understand a thing that Juan was saying to Jovanka
when they returned to her house and he was comforting her. Can anyone help with
the dialog?
Thanks.
Re: Friday’s Episode Author: Gaviotaa (---) Date:
11-29-04 16:49 PST
I deleted it, but Jovanka was very upset
because her father told her that he was regretting having pardoned her after he
ordered Yanko from the tribe.
She was blaming herself for all that had
happened, sort of like, if I hadn’t come back, none of this would have
happened. Juan told her that not everything was her fault. Most of what
happened had nothing to do with her and she was not responsible for other
people’s actions.
He said she needed comfort and he was the
man to offer it.
Sorry, I don’t have the specifics, so if
anyone out there can help Kathleen, I’m sure they will.
Re: Friday’s Episode Author: Marisa (---) Date:
11-29-04 17:47 PST
That was pretty much what happened. She is very worried about Salome because of how her father behaved with Milenka more than anything. She fears he will do something worse to her if she returns. Jovanka realizes that it may be better if Salome never comes back! Juan is offerring comfort.!!!!! I said this to one fan today…I would not count on the Jovanka/Juan relationshiop yet…to many little signs are cropping up that in the end she and Raphael may get together. Particularily if she ends up revealing that Sashenka is his daughter. Let’ see what the next few week’s bring.
Telenovela-World: Dialogue/Diálogo – Juan & Jovanka [USA, 11/26/04] (last week)
Author: Tuly (---) Date: 11-30-04 16:12 PST
Juan – How are you? Would you like me to
fix something for you, some tea?
Jovanka – No, thanks. Would you like
something?
Juan – No. The only thing I’d like is for
all of this to be over. What Vanya said regarding forgiving you was said
without giving it thought, he’s very confused.
Jovanka – I know. I know my father’s not
doing well. But that doesn’t worry me now, but rather Salomé. With my father
taking that attitude, what kind of future awaits her in the tribe? My father
will let them treat her just as, or worse, than Milenka and I can’t let that
happen.
Juan – I hope you don’t hate me for what
I’m going to say but I think that the best thing for your daughter would be if
she never came back.
Jovanka – I can’t hate you when what you’re
saying is with her best interests at heart. And maybe you’re right, maybe the
best thing is that my daughter stay with Sebastián forever, I don’t know. I’m
so confused that I don’t know anymore what’s the worst or the best thing for
anybody. The only thing I see is that my life is sinking in a never-ending
abyss. I can’t take it anymore, Juan, really, I can’t. You don’t know how much
I regret having come back to this town. The only things I’ve achieved are
misfortunes for myself and for my people, one after the other.
Juan – Jovanka, what you’re saying is a
lie. You’re not responsible for what’s happening to other people. It’s
impossible for you to want to control people’s lives and then hold yourself responsible
for their actions.
Jovanka – It hurts me deeply to see how
everyone, all of the people I love, are crumbling before my eyes. First my
daughter … that love she feels for your nephew that is marked by tragedy. And
now my father … he’s lost in intrigues and jealousy.
Juan – Jovanka, none of that depends on
you.
Jovanka – Oh Juan, you’re never going to
understand it, but misfortune follows me and that’s the way it always will be.
Juan – Come here (Juan hugs her) … this too
shall pass. Everything in life passes in spite of ourselves. Nothing lasts
forever.
Jovanka – I need you. In spite of myself, I
need you, Juan. I would like to stay away from you, but I can’t. I need to feel
you near … it’s the only thing that holds me up during these trying times,
Juan. Forgive me for saying this to you, Juan, forgive me, please.
Juan – Don’t worry, go ahead and cry. Cry
all you need, vent. I will be with you come what may. I won’t leave you alone
so long as you need me; I will be here, by your side.
Jovanka – Juan …
Juan – Don’t say anything. Forget who we
are, okay? Right now you’re a woman that needs someone’s support and
understanding … and I am the man that’s willing to give you that.
Jovanka – Thank you, Juan. It’s better that
you leave, I wouldn’t want one of my daughters to see us like this.
Juan – All right, all right, don’t worry, I
understand. Try to rest, okay? (Juan kisses her forehead and leaves … Sashenka
watches from the stairs).
***************ESPAÑOL***************
Juan - ¿Cómo estás? ¿Quieres que te prepare
algo, un té?
Jovanka – No, gracias. ¿Tú quieres que te
prepare algo?
Juan – No. Lo único que quisiera es que
todo esto por fin se arreglara. Eso que te dijo Vanya respecto a tu perdón fue
algo que dijo sin pensar, él está muy confundido.
Jovanka – Yo lo sé. Sé que mi padre no está
bien. Lo que ahora me preocupa no es eso, sino Salomé. Con mi padre en esa
actitud, ¿qué clase de futuro le espera en la tribu? Mi padre va a dejar que la
traten igual o peor que a Milenka y eso no lo puedo permitir.
Juan – Espero que no me odies por lo que
voy a decir pero creo que lo mejor para tu hija sería que no regresara nunca.
Jovanka – No te puedo odiar cuando lo que
estás diciendo es por el bien de ella. Y quizás tengas razón, quizás lo mejor
es que mi hija se quede con Sebastián para siempre, no lo sé. Estoy tan
confundida que ya no sé que es lo peor o lo mejor para nadie. Lo único que veo
es que mi vida se está hundiendo en un abismo que no se acaba nunca. Ya no
puedo, Juan, de veras que ya no puedo. No sabes como me arrepiento de haber
regresado a este pueblo. Lo único que he conseguido son desgracias para mí y
para mi gente, una tras otra.
Juan – Jovanka, lo que estás diciendo es
una mentira. Tú no eres responsable de lo que le está sucediendo a los demás.
Es imposible que quieras controlar la vida de la gente y luego hacerte
responsable de sus acciones.
Jovanka – Me duele en el alma ver como todo
mi mundo, la gente que amo, se van desmoronando frente a mis ojos. Primero mi
hija … ese amor marcado por la tragedia que siente por tu sobrino. Y ahora mi
padre … perdido por las intrigas y los celos.
Juan – Jovanka, nada de eso depende de tí.
Jovanka – Ay, Juan, nunca vas a entenderlo,
pero es la desgracia que me persigue y así sera por siempre.
Juan – Ven (Juan la abraza) … todo va a
pasar. Todo pasa en la vida a pesar de nosotros mismos. Nada es eterno.
Jovanka – Te necesito. A pesar de mí misma
te necesito, Juan. Quisiera apartarme de tí, pero no puedo. Necesito sentirte cerca
… es lo único que me sostiene en estos momentos, Juan. Perdóname por decirte
todo esto, Juan, perdóname por favor.
Juan – No te preocupes, llora. Llora todo
lo que necesites, desahógate. Estaré contigo pase lo que pase. No pienso
dejarte sola mientras tú me necesites; yo estaré aquí, a tu lado.
Jovanka – Juan …
Juan – No digas nada. Olvídate de lo que
somos, ¿eh? Ahora eres una mujer que necesita el apoyo y la comprensión de
alguien … y yo soy el hombre dispuesto a dártelos.
Jovanka – Gracias, Juan. Es mejor que te
vayas, no quisiera que alguna de mis hijas nos viera así.
Juan – Está bien, esta bien, no te preocupes, entiendo perfectamente. Trata de descansar, ¿sí? (Juan le besa la frente y se va … Sashenka es testigo de la escena desde las escaleras).
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USA, Nov. 29 – Dec. 3, 2004
Telenovela-World: Re: Missed tonight’s episode! [USA,
11/30/04] Author: Mika (---) Date:
12-01-04 02:32 PST
You missed a POWERFUL episode, filled with
suspense. I’m not good at recapping things in order….but here are some of the
major events:
Lazlo and Milenka came across Vanya holding Ianko’s dead body, and holding a knife. Of course the assumption is that Vanya killed Ianko. Now a “court” has been formed to decide if Vanya is guilty or not. If he’s declared guilty, he has to receive the death penalty and drink a poison concocted by Mama Paska. She’s working on it now. Jovanka begged her not to do it, but Mama Paska intends to follow gypsy law. ~ Camila was preparing to have the abortion at that dirty looking woman’s home. She’s already had to drink some sort of tea to make her groggy, so she “won’t feel the pain so much”. But Mario managed to call Ofelia, and tell her what Camila was about to do. So at the last minute, Ofelia and Sandra race to the home of the abortionist to save Camila. Looks like they got there just in time. ~ Rafael reached the rusty old ship, but Sebastian and Salome were already gone. Rafael found the letter Sebastian wrote, and now mistakenly believes that Sebastian is dead. ~ But Sebastian is alive and well, and searching madly for the runaway Salome. Jonas meanwhile, is also searching for Salome. And where is Salome? Rodrigo and his evil sidekick found her in the woods. Rodrigo ordered his sidekick to go home, so that he can rape Salome in peace. He’s got her holed up in a shack that appeared magically in the woods. The fool Salome believes that Rodrigo will help her get back to her gypsy camp…. she doesn’t know what he REALLY has in mind. ~ This was a great episode….and once again, NO ERENDIRA. I think the novela moves along so much better without her. ~
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USA, Dec. 6 – 10, 2004
Telenovela-World: Translate Please [USA, 12/7/04] Author: Marisa (---) Date:
12-07-04 18:52 PST
what didSalome say..Padre Juan and Jovanka..Drago at the
camp?
I doubt Cleveland, Ohio will ever have the
English translation of this show.
Re: Translate Please Author: JAV (---) Date: 12-07-04 19:05 PST
Shallowme basically said that Sebas
kidnapped her by enveloping her in his lies. She went with him but then
escaped. She begged forgiveness from Jonas and the tribe.
Jovanka said she wanted to talk to her
daughter because she needed to.
Drago said NO WAY. He is the patriarca and
he says what happens with the tribe.
Padre Juan challenged Shallowme and said he
needed to talk to her in private. Drago said no way but Juan threatened to call
the police and have Shallowme be interrogated to get the truth about Aquaman’s
whereabouts.
I know this is short but I am running late…
Saludos,
JAV
Re:
Translate Please continued… Author:
timoteo (---) Date: 12-07-04 19:24 PST
Jovanka is told by Drago that she will no longer be the
“gitana princess” she was before. She can either leave the tribe now, or do
what Drago says, but Shallowme stays with Drago.
Jovanka tells Shallowme that she must leave
now, Jovanka is going to take the Marias out of town.
Vanya begs Milenka for forgiveness from
outside her room door – they don’t see each other. Vanya begs and Milenka says
she loves him to herself, but she can never forgive him. Vanya leaves and is
looking at Milenka’s room window from the street and Baldomero finds him. Vanya
says he’s lost everything and now he’s an old man with out a future waiting to
die, like Baldomero. Baldomero tells him to let another old man without a
future help him.
Rafael tells Juan and Escudero that he
hasn’t found Sebastian’s body on the devil’s bar. That means he could be alive.
Juan tells Rafael that Shallowme showed up and they found her in the swamps. go
Rafael!
Adela and her husband find that Victoria is
suspiciously calm, considering that Sebastian is supposed to be dead.
Ropuerco gets mad when Simon tells him to
keep his stolen stuff. He needs an operation to keep him alive, but won’t take
ropuerco’s gold. He tells Ropuerco to get out of the house. Ropuerco is
supposed to be with Sebastian, but he is by the docks and Victoria catches him
off duty.
this is about what I can remember, in
addition to JAV’s thoughts.
timoteo
Telenovela-World: Re:
Can anyone help? Missed Episode [USA, 12/7/04] Author: Marisa (---) Date: 12-08-04 15:04 PST
Here is what happened in brief yesterday.
Drago threatened Salome with Sebastain’s life…she had to apologize to the tribe
and beg her “husband” (now she has two of them) for foregivness…Padre Juan
tries to talk her out of it but she won’t listen…her mother is told by Drago
that her stint as the “gypsy princess” is over now that he is the patriarca.
You start to see that is Jovanka questioning her culture. She wants Salome out
so she and the girls can leave town…Salome won’t listen to her mother….Vanya
pleads with Milenka from otuside the door with no luck…not sure what her
problem is…Vanya has stepped down as the patriarca and is heading out of town
when Baldemero confronts him (more on this in tonight ‘s episode). Mama Pasca
will not kneel when the rest of the tribe accepts Drago as the patriarca…she to
is wondering what’s happening and is suspciious of the man!!!!
Raphael is heading out on the boat to
search for Sebastian …Victoria nd Endira are strolling though town and meet
Alfredo and his wife. He is suspicious of Victoria’s calm nature. Rodrigo is
also heading back to the swamp…
Telenovela-World: Tonite’s
recap – best I can do [USA,
12/9/04] Author: timoteo (---) Date:
12-09-04 19:39 PST
Tonite, Rafael finished his remembering his
youth with Sebastian and walked into the sea. We don’t know what has become of
him from this episode, as his head disappearing beneath a wave was the last
we’ve seen of him.
At Jovanka’s house, Jovanka finishes
talking with Josefa. Josefa finishes last nite’s speech about how she thinks
that both Jovanka and Juan are nice people, and that she understands their
wanting to be together. She leaves. Then, Sashenka comes around the corner and
starts accusing Jovanka of lying to the Marias. She claims that the whole town
knows of their love and that Juan is leaving the priesthood for Jovanka.
Jovanka denies this. Shashenka tromps out saying that she is going to the camp
to be with real gypsies.
Magdalena tells Claudio again that she
wants him to make love to her. They tell each other that they love each other.
Claudio gets some sheets and blankets and they head up to his tree house and
soon are naked. Magdalena tells Claudio that he will be her first and asks
Claudio if he’s experienced. Claudio says he is. Magdalena asks him what she
should do, and Claudio starts to stutter and breathe heavily. Finally, he
admits that he has no experience and she will be his first. They smile and go
at it.
Padre Juan reminds Ropuerco that he
officiated at his first communion. He says that no matter what happens, he will
go to jail. HE asks Ropuerco what happened, and Ropuerco tells him. He also
tells Ropuerco that, if what he says is true, there will be no trouble for
Ropuerco. Ropuerco leads Juan to the shack and when they get there, Sebastian
is gone.
Baldomero tells Vanya that it is useless to
blame himself, he needs to get on with life, Vanya says that he has nothing and
Baldomero asks if he will pray with him. Vanya says that he doesn’t even have
an image of his saint to pray to. Baldomero activates his revolving saint
selection and Vanya gets happy when he sees Santa Sara. He asks Baldomero if he
can take the image. Baldomero first refuses, but then relents, and Vanya takes
the image and heads out.
Upstairs at Jovanka’s the herb lady is
telling Visonka that they have to get Milenka to have an abortion or she will
die. Milenka keeps refusing. The herb lady brews up the abortion potion and has
it to Milenka’s mouth, and the glass shatters in her hand. (Obviously, Vanya
showed up with Santa Sara’s picture, but this is not shown or stated.) a big
gust of wind shoots in the window. Milenka says that this is a sign, as the
herb lady and Visonka pick the broken glass off of her chest. The herb lady is
puzzled and says nothing like this has happened before. Visonka says nothing.
Jovanka comes in after being dressed down by Sashenka and Milenka begs her not
to let them take her baby. The herb lady draws her aside and tells her story,
that Milenka might die. Jovanka talks to Milenka quietly and Milenka says that
she knows that Yanko would never kill herself. She says that Yanko is watching
over her and that he told her that there was a murderer in the tribe. She
thinks that Vanya did it. Jovanka tells her that just as she knows Yanko and
knows he didn’t commit suicide, that she knows Vanya and knows he didn’t kill
Yanko.
Drago catches Pesky heading out of camp and
asks her where she is going. Pesky says that she’s going to Jovanka’s to see
how Milenka is doing. She asks if she may have permission to go. Drago says
that Jovanka doesn’t respect him. Pesky says that he needs to go easy on
Jovanka. Drago says that she will have to respect him or else. Pesky says that
the tribe respects him, but if he wants the tribe to trust him, he will have to
be more compassionate.
Drago visits Victoria and they trade
threats. These are the standard “I’ll tell” exchange, and finally Victoria says
she wants to see Sebastian alive and that she will ruin Drago and everyone if
her sons or Sebastian are harmed, and then she tells Drago to get back to
business.
Jonas and Salome are in the tent. He is all
over her, telling her how he loves her and has from the minute he saw her. He
is kissing and hugging and Salome is like a limp rag. (I know this is the part
you are all interested in, so I will do my best.) He gets her down and is
making his move, and she pushes him off and gets up. Jonas says that she
promised to do this and that it should be happy, but whether she is happy or
not, it will happen. He tosses her back on the bed.
Outside the tent, Sashenka is sitting and
Yanni comes up. She is her usual nasty self to him and he offers her a glass of
wine. She takes it. They talk and he tells her that he loves her and that he
always has, and he knows that she loves Jonas and wishes she was in the tent
with him. She gets huffy. She tells him that there will never be a chance for
him with her. He tells her that there will never be a chance for her with
Jonas, because Salome is Jonas’s woman now. He says that she claims to be the
best gypsy, so she should know what it means that jonas already has a woman and
it is not her.
In the tent, Salome is laying naked on her
stomach, covered up mostly. Jonas is sitting up, and he’s bitter. Nothing in
what he says indicates whether he’s done Salome or not. He leaves the tent and
goes outside. Sashenka follows him into the Gitano movie theater. Yanni follows
into the projection booth. She asks him if he made Salome his woman. No answer
is given.
You all saw the teaser for tomorrow. I
coudn't understand what is said and there’s no captions for teasers. I don’t
think that jonas did it with Salome.
Anyone else, please add and correct
everywhere it’s necessary, and amplify, too.
I think we need to help those who lost CC.
timoteo
Telenovela-World:
Re: Tonite’s recap [USA, 12/9/04] – best I can do –text of what Jodás
said + promo Author: B. (---)
Date: 12-09-04 22:23 PST
i haven’t made my mind up about the glass,
but Mika’s right about what Jodás said in the, shall we say, aftermath of
whatever happened with Shallowme:
“So much waiting – for this! Do you know
what I felt when I saw you for the first time? That I was happy. That I wanted
to make you the happiest woman on the face of the earth! I fell in love with
you like an idiot!! For you – for you I wanted to be better, Salomé – and look
what you turned me into: A man filled with hate, who has to take what is his by
force. But that’s how you wanted it. And that’s how it will be.”
unfortunately, my take on this is that a)
he raped her already (or if he didn’t get to the actual deed yet, he got close
enough to completely shatter Shallowme, who already knows what it’s like to be
with a man she loves who truly loves her in return. not that i don’t believe
Jodás THINKS he loves her, but if he truly loved her –as Ianko loved Milenka,
for example—he would have cared more about her happiness than his, or his
“honor,” or about anything else), and b) he’s telling her that that’s how it’s
going to be from now on. as if to pay her back for making him “have” to rape
her and for not having fallen in love with him in the first place.
as for the promo, my guess is that either
timo’s on the money with his knife-that-killed-the-man-who-had-Shallowme-first
= Shallowme’s “virginity” theory of his, or else he’s trying to tell the tribe
that he used the knife on Shallowme somehow. he holds up the clean-looking
sheet in one hand, says “Here is the honor of a man!” as she shakes his hand to
indicate the sheet. the flock starts to gather ‘round. Mr Voice-over trills,
“The proof of sin is shown…” as we have a shot of Pesky and Jovanka looking
worried. Jodás deliberately holds up a knife to his sheet-covered palm, closes his
hand around it, and withdraws the knife so it cleans itself on the sheet while
Mr V-O continues, “…but it won’t be their words that will surprise you!!” then
Jodás opens his hand with the sheet to show blood stains (that are not from
having cut his hand, since the sheet is still whole). he shakes his hand again,
saying, “This is the delivery…” Mr V-O concludes, over shots of Disgusto and
then Jovanka, before returning to Jodás and his sheet, “The cruelty continues!”
Jodás concludes, “Here is the virginity of my wife*.” (*the word he uses here,
“mujer,” though often used in Spanish in a non-pejorative way to mean “wife,”
literally means “woman.”)
all i can say is: gak.
Re: Tonite’s recap – best I can do Author: Kathleen (---)
Date: 12-09-04 20:52 PST
I don’t think Jonas did it with Salome
either. He seemed too frustrated that she was not responding. His temper is
certainly mercurial. He goes into the tent with her mad. Turns around and is
happy to be with her as if nothing had ever happened before. Then he’s
surprised and furious she’s not responding to his dirty, smelly self. We’ll
have to change his name from Jonas to Jerkas.
The time of day was mercurial, too!
Raphael is trying to kill himself but I
think something will happen to prevent it. Perhaps he’ll get swept up that
river where he finds Sebastian on the riverbank. I think Sebastian came to and
made the effort to get away from the shack. Things knocked around there looked
like it could have been from his falling while trying to get off the cot. (I’m
watching too much CSI again; Telemundo isn’t that sophisticated.)
I’m very disappointed that Padre Juan
talked Rodrigo out of a fight. With all of the bad guys in this novela, one of
these days Padre Juan is going to talk himself right into a grave.
As for the bedsheet and the blood, didn’t
Jerkas obviously have a large knife in his hand? Is he signifying that he cut
himself to save his “wife’s” honor (perhaps claiming that Sebastian raped her)
and that his blood will substitute for hers? I dunno. I’m just wondering.
Telenovela-World:
¡Grrr!¡No la grabó mi VCR!¿Qué pasó anoche? [USA, 12/10/04] Author: Sue (---) Date: 12-11-04 04:50 PST
Sorry…I felt like writing Spanish today.
Did Rafael kill himself? Where the heck is Sebastián?
*************
Proud member of Red Sox Nation.
Re: ¡Grrr!¡No la grabó mi VCR!¿Qué pasó anoche? Author: timoteo (---) Date:
12-11-04 11:17 PST
Sorry, Sue, I’m a little scattered today…
Rafael did write a suicide note, but the
matter of what has become of him hasn’t been settled.
He may be dead, but the arguments that he
is taking time out from the story by means of an undetermined as yet fate seem
to carry a lot of weight. It appears that Sashenka will be in for a surprise
next week…
And Sebastian, after several beatings and a
stab wound, and ropuerco thinking that his cold body and breathing having
ceased means that he was dead, now has walked from wherever the ship is up the
coast (so far that hurricanes hit it while Malarribo is calm) after
caunterizing his stab wound all the way to the gitano camp and made an
appearance for his wife. However, having slept with Jonas, she won’t go with
him. Jovanka helps him and Mirko loads him into his dad’s old red ‘60 Chevy
biscayne 2 door sedan and they took him to Jovanka’s place, where she is
helping him get well.
timoteo
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USA, Dec. 13 – 17, 2004
Telenovela-World: WOW!! YESTERDAY [USA, 12/15/04] JOVANKA & JUAN
Author: mariana08 (---) Date: 12-16-04
06:39 PST
I AM STILL IN SHOCK WITH YESTERDAY’S
SCENE!!! THAT WAS SWEET WHAT JUAN TOLD JOVANKA ABOUT THAT “SHE’S THE TEMPLE HE WANTS
TO ADORE!!!” AND WHAT JOVANKA TOLD HIM, THAT FOR HIM TO DECIDED AND IF HE
DECIDED FOR HER SHE TOLD HIM THAT “SHE’LL WAIT FOR HIM RIGHT HERE… NO MATTER
HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE!!!” THAT’S SO ROMANTIC!!THAT’S WHAT I CALLED TRUE
LOVE!!!!!
Here is the dialogue b/n Juan and Yovanka..sort of.. Author: rth (---) Date: 12-16-04 11:21 PST
(Juan rests his face on Yovanka’s hand.)
J: It is so difficult to know where
happiness hides.
Y: Look at me. What do you feel when you
look at my eyes?
J: This may not be the answer you are
waiting for, but I feel at home. I feel I arrived at the place where I wanted
to arrive. I feel I am at the doors of the temple I want to worship. My home.
(He caresses her face. Music up Hmmm, hmmm,
ahhhhh. They almost kiss. He looks to the right, then to her)
J: Sorry. sorry. Sometimes I feel I have
everything under control.
Y: You don’t have to ask for my forgiveness.
Never. And you don’t have to explain anything to me after what you have said.
I know you
love me. But is love guarantee that 2 people will be together? Look what
happened to my daughter and your nephew.
. J: Yes, it’s true. You are right.
Y: That’s why I ask you to make up your
mind. Whatever that decision is, I will respect it. And if it has to do with
me.I will be here waiting for you.
(He smiles)
J: What is it?
Y: I never thought you were going to say
something like this.
Camera zooms out…and we see Vanya
interrupting the romantic moment.
Vanya: Juan, amigo…...........
Grrrrrrrrr
Telenovela-World:
Re: summaries of gitanas [USA, 12/16/04] Author: timoteo (---)
Date: 12-16-04 19:40 PST
Tonite, we had Paska giving Salome lessons
on how to be the seer of the tribe. She had her inhaling a mandrake based
solution that gave her a vision of Rafael committing suicide by walking into
the ocean.
Paska admitted that she has never been able
to do this herself. (which confirmed to me that she is actually a “football
dad”, trying to get Salome to succeed where she has been such an obvious flop
herself.) Jonas stood outside while Salome likened herself to a mandrake, which
supposedly cries out a death cry when it is picked. She then told Paska that
she was also plucked away from her roots in Sebastian by Jonas, who she said
was a coward and would behave like a beast to take her away from Sebastian,
threatening to kill him. Jonas was outside the tent listening to this whole
process, as he was drawn by Salome crying out in her vision.
Each of the people you saw go forward in the
chuch said things on behalf of Rafael. Victoria got up and began to insult
Jovanka, who responded with grace and tranquility. Sebastian finally got
Victoria to sit down. Alfredo and Sebastian said that they never really knew
Rafael until now, and Sebastian said that he was united with his father in that
he was a victim of ethnic hate between two groups. Jonas took Salome there
because, he said, Salome blamed him for Rafael’s death and Jonas said that
Sebastian was responsible for Rafael’s death because he dishonored Jonas.
Sebastian told Jonas that he was out of line, and that the service was for
Rafael’s memory, and he was dishonoring that memory. Jonas took Salome outside.
Juan added that this might be the last time
he would serve as Malarribo’s priest.
Drago said, in response to Nilos’s worry
about Milenka’s condition, that gitanas could have babies in the back of
trucks, and that they needed to go to a new town about 600 kilometers away.
Visonka, back in town, was telling Vinka that Milenka would die if she were moved,
in response to Laslo telling her that Drago wanted to move camp right away.
Drago told Nilos that he needed to get Mirko
in line and keep him out of trouble, and Mirko walked out of the mass for
Rafael when Sandra was telling how she nearly married him, but his heart only
could belong to one person (Jovanka, who she didn’t name). When Mirko came back
to camp, Nilos collared him and asked him if he was going to be a betrayer like
Branko. He gave him the I’m going to die guilt trip and Mirko brushed that off
and said that he wanted to be a gitano, and was proud of that, but that he
didn’t want to be the kind of person that Drago was or the kind of person who
agreed with what Drago was. Nilos said that he agreed with Drago, and Mirko
shrugged and walked off.
At the end, Drago said that it was a good
idea to come and that he wanted to go in and pay respects to such a great man
as Rafael, too.
That’s about what I can recall.
timoteo
Telenovela-World:
Did anyone want this recap from Friday? [USA, 12/17/04] Author:
timoteo (---) Date: 12-18-04 12:04 PST
Last nite, the show started with Juan
announcing that he was going to take time off from being a priest to make up
his mind about his future. Victoria got up and walked out of the service before
it was over. Juan ran after her, but she said that if he goes with Jovanka, he
will be as dead to her as Rafael, who, she said, she couldn’t speak for during
the service because all she could say was that he was a coward.
Josefa came up to Juan after this and said
to Juan that Simon was too sick to be at the service, but wanted him to know
that Simon sent his condolences and that no matter what Juan decided, he could
count on Simon and Josefa for support.
Juan went back and was taking off his robes,
and Jovanka came in. This was a lengthy and very good scene in which Jovanka
came in hearing Juan praying about his choice. Jovanka recognized that Juan had
great passion for being a priest as Juan explained to her how much he loved
walking with God and helping people. Jovanka noted that if he left the
priesthood, he wouldn’t have the people, and Juan said that a passionate person
is passionate from within, not passionate because of the people around them.
She noted how odd it was that he could be passionate about the Church and about
her simultaneously, and Juan noted that Jovanka was a passionate person, too,
as she was passionate about her gypsy heritage and about her daughters, while
still being passionate about him. Jovanka asked which one of Juan’s passions
was the strongest, and he wasn’t sure, so she backed off and said she’d be
waiting and would understand no matter what.
Drago was outside with Jonas. They sent
Salome back to the camp with another gitano. Drago told Jonas that he needed to
see if Juan was going to pursue them, even after they left, so he could judge
what had to be done with Juan to cover his tracks. He came in at this point of
Juan and Jovanka’s talk and expressed his sympathy to Juan for the tribe. Juan
told him that he could leave.
Drago wanted Juan to shake his hand in
forgiveness, and tried to use “tolerance” and “foregiveness” as a guilt trip on
Juan. Juan refused and said that for these things to happen, there has to be
understanding, and that Drago was only being a hypocrite. (One example here was
Juan saying that Jesus “lost it” when driving the money changers out of the
temple, when Jesus “was a man, like I am now”. I dislike the story line in
these matters, because if Juan supposedly was educated in Rome, as the story
goes, he should be a lot more educated on theology instead of propagating
stupid and simplitic misunderstandings as the writers have him doing. It is
simple doctrine that Christ was both man and God simultaneously, since the
early Church councils of the 4th Century. It is clear from Jesus’s
own words that he never “lost His cool” since He Himself stated that He always
did His Father’s will, and it is also clear that the Father testified that He
was “well pleased”with Jesus. If they can’t even get simple stuff like this
right, why don’t they just avoid it?! Grrrrr!)
So, Drago told Juan that if he tried to
prosecute himself or Jonas, he would get someone, including Jovanka in return.
That’s were this scene ended.
Paska came looking for Vanya, and Baldomero
wanted to talk with her.
Mirko left the church service when he got
upset with Sandra saying how much Rafael had meant to her. Back at the camp,
working with Yianni, he told Yianni he was troubled and Yianni told him he was
being a child, he had no reason to be jealous of a dead man. He went back into
town and caught Sandra walking home, and said he didn’t know what to think of
her, since she was saying those things about Rafael he didn’t know what she
felt for him. Sandra got mad and told him she didn’t have time to worry about
his stupid jealousy and walked off.
Vanya and Milenka talked, with Vanya giving
a very nice finish to his talking to his son in Milenka, and she awoke. She
told him that Janko had appeared to her in dreams and said that there was a
great betrayer in the Gitanos and Milenka knew that he had been murdered. She
asked Vanya if he had done it and he swore on his child that he hadn’t. She
said that she still couldn’t forgive him for what he’d done and was shocked by
how out of control he became. When Vinka and Visonka returned, Vanya left.
When the gitano escorting Salome went to get
the car, Sebastian jumped out of the bushes and grabbed her. He wanted her to
admit that she was being pressured, and she stuck to her story that she
realized she couldn’t leave the gypsies for him. He talked about their gitano
vows and Juan marrying them, and she said she thought she would try it and see
if she liked it. Sebastian asked her if she slept with any man that interested
her after she told him how she had wanted to be with Jonas and how she had
shared her passion with him.
Finally, they got on the sidewalk and Jonas
came along. Sebastian said that Jonas could have her for now, until she left
him for another man, but that he had another matter to settle with Jonas and
would do that some day.
Further down the street, Jovanka had an
argument with Shrewshenka when she said that she wanted to tell her and
Magdalena something at home. Sashenka said that it was about Padre Juan and
said she didn’t want to hear it, so she left. Jovanka and Magdalena went on and
ran into Salome, Drago, and Jonas. Jovanka asked for time to talk to Salome at
home and Drago said that there was no time and that she belonged to him and
Jonas now, since they had paid the bride price for her and Jovanka had
accepted. Salome then
said
that she wanted to go to the camp without talking to Jovanka.
This is how I recall it; please everyone
feel free to add and correct as you see fit.
timoteo
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USA, Dec. 20 – 24, 2004
no English summaries from Telenovela-World.
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USA, Dec. 27 – 31, 2004
Telenovela-World:
Wednesday
partial summary [12/29/04] Author: Robin N
Date: 12-30-04 08:37 PST
Vicky insults Shallowme (what a surprise)
and Shallowme, who’s still reeling from the encounter with Sebastian, is
horrified at how vindictive and cruel Vicky is. She accuses Vicky of lies but
Vicky tells her to ask her mother what Jovanka told her 20 years ago. Shallowme
stumbles off back to camp.
The men ransacking Jovanka’s house find no
money in any of the trunks or other logical hiding places and report this to
Drago. Jodas is surprised to hear that they were looking for money and
questions his father who snaps back that his son shouldn’t question his
motives. The search continues.
At the encampment, Magda tells her mother
that (“I hope you won’t be mad, but…”) she has taken destiny into her own hands
and has made love, well, had sexual relations (“…but don’t worry, I took
precautions!”) with someone so she wouldn’t end up being ruled over like
Shallowme. Jovanka is stunned by this news but comes to understand her
daughter’s POV. Magda tells her she wants to escape, go to Spain, live her own
life and make her own decisions for herself, she doesn’t belong in the tribe.
She’s a little startled to see la Bocona standing in the shadows of the tent
(just how much did she hear?), who’s returned after her little snit fit earlier
(in which she told Jovanka that she didn’t consider her to be her mother, to
which Jovanka told her that it didn’t matter if Shrewshenka liked what she did
or not, she was always going to be her mother). Shrewshenka has her own
obsessions though, tells Magda she didn’t hear anything, and ends up once again
flouncing off, ostensibly to keep Jodas from finding out that Shallowme had
gone to town with the letter Jovanka wrote for Juan.
Paska enters the tent and consoles Jovanka
for doing the right thing. She tells her she’s not strong enough to help the
tribe from what is coming, Jovanka and Shallowme are important, especially with
Vanya gone. You sense that she’s troubled and frail and worried about the
insanity of Drago. Just then Drago and his henchmen return to the camp and he
enters the tent. He tells Jovanka that he needs to speak to her… alone
(meaningful glance at Paska who looks scared sh#tless).
Jovanka follows Drago to his tent and he
sits down with the Patriarca’s staff across his lap, stroking it (hmm… phallic
symbology again… <vbwg>). It comes out about how he was looking for her
money (he’s all concerned for the assets of his tribe members) and she knows
what he’s all about. She threatens him to keep his grubby hands off hers and he
threatens her and her daughters with separation again but she’s not going to
submit to this blackmail again. She knows it’s money he wants and she promises
him money – but only when she’s convinced that he’s prepared to leave her and
her daughters alone and treat them the way they should be treated!
Shrewshenka goes into Jodas tent and
lounges on his bed, fantasizing a bit. He later returns and she darts under the
covers, hiding (“…maybe he’ll think I’m Shallowme!”) and he does indeed jump to
conclusions and starts to disrobe, but he figures out quickly that the hand
peeking out under the covers is not Shallowme’s and asks who it is. Shrewshenka
surfaces and he asks what she’s up to. Once again, she tells him that if he had
her in his bed instead of a woman who doesn’t love him, he’d have a real gitana
to hold onto.
Claudio’s got the miseries and Mario and
Camila try to comfort him. He later goes to the campground to talk to Magda and
tell her he’s ready to help her do anything. She’s outside waiting to cover for
the missing Shallowme and he sees her and grabs her for a liplock. She cautions
him that this is a foolish and dangerous thing to do and he swears that he’ll
help her escape. She tells him thanks, but no thanks, she will do so by herself
after the tribe has left town when it will be safer. He’s crestfallen and when
men walk by with rifles, she tells him to skedaddle.
Rafael has been discussing the daughter
situation over drinks with Sandra (who brings up the Shallowme possibility) but
Rafael doesn’t think this can be true because Jovanka is too noble to let
something like that occur. Escudero tells him that Sebastian is urgently
looking for him so he goes to the Pescadera to talk to him. Sebastian tells him
of his encounter with Shallowme and his fear that they are half-brother &
sister. Again, Rafa interjects some reason into this, saying that Jovanka would
never let this happen, but Sebas is not so sure. Yeah, when he was wounded and
she was curing him she talked about how she should have realized how things
were with him and Shallowme and supported them and that could have been because
they’re not blood relatives and they mean it, but it could also be because she
has the hots for Juan and doesn’t want to look like the villain in the movie.
He asks Rafa if he can be 100% sure he’s not Shallowme’s father and he can’t
answer that question. He does, however, say that they will go to the camp and
ask Jovanka and get the truth but Vicky enters and insists (though why anyone
would listen to her in her family ever again I don’t know) that they’re not
going anywhere and they’re not going to talk about this ever again because it
would be shameful and shocking if it got around town (where they are the most
important people, so there!).
Shallowme returns to the camp and Magda
intercepts her. Shallowme needs to talk to Jovanka immediately. Magda gets
Paska out of the tent and Jovanka returns to find Shallowme in a fetal
position. She asks her what the problem is and Shallowme begs her to tell her
which of her daughters is the child of Rafael Dominguez. Jovanka is stunned.
She can’t believe that Rafael would tell one of her daughters this and asks if
he told her. Shallowme tells her that it was Sebastian and he thinks she’s his
sister and that she knew all along. Jovanka is unhappy that the cat is further
out of the bag… if Sebastian knows, then who else does? Shallowme again begs
for the truth: is she Rafael Dominguez’s daughter?
*A buen entendedor, pocas palabras bastan.*
12/31/04 – no episode broadcast
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Telenovela-World: Translate Please!!
[USA, 1/6/05] Author: najia
(---) Date: 01-07-05 19:11 PST
I know that 2 years have passed. Could someone please answer
these questions for me:
1. Did Jonas accuse Salome that their child
wasn't his? What was their argument about? What is the child's name?
( Is it
Sebastian's child?)
2. Is Ofelia married to Rafael?
3. What were Jonas & Drago arguing
about?
4. What has Drago done to put the tribe
into such a mess? What was that encounter with the gun about?
5. At the end of the episode, Erendira
accuses Sebastian of something...what was it?
Thanks for responses
Najia
Re: Translate Please!!
Author: Mika (---) Date: 01-07-05 19:26 PST
Yes, I think Jonas looks upon the baby with
suspicion, as if it might not be his. ~ I didn't catch the baby's name. I
thought I heard "Emilio"..... but I could be wrong.
Ofelia's not married to Rafael, but it
appears she left the cantina to become the "secretary" at the
fishery. Looks like she's drinking more too.
Jonas and Drago were arguing about returning
to Malarribo (or however you spell it). Jonas doesn't want to go back there,
but Drago is determined to find the money. Looks like he owes some to those
drug-traffickers.
Drago has brought the tribe into ruin by
his drinking, and stupid dirty dealings.
At the end Erendira was pissed off because
she knew Sebastian had gone to the abandoned ship. She asked "Will you
still continue to go there after we're married?!"
Re: Translate Please!!
Author: DAA (---) Date: 01-07-05 20:04 PST
1. Actually, Salome said that in front of
the tribe that Jonas has his honor as everyone, even her mother, believes the
child is his. This conversation leads one to believe he is aware the child
isn't his. Not to mention earlier he said he feels nothing for this child and if
it wasn't that he meant his honor he'd not care at all. So yep, I believe the
two of them are aware the baby is Seb's.
2. I certainly don't think she's married as
Escudero was flirting up a storm with Ofe.
3. Going back to Malaribbo
4. He's a slimebag. He's got them all
messed up in dirty business and now wants Jovanka's money to get them off his
back. The gun was a warning. They gave him 24 hours for the money but he asked
for more time.
5. Going to the old boat where he and
Salome had run off to when they ran away.
Aye Papacito!!!!!
Telenovela-World: [usa, 1/7/05] Re: Translate Please!!
(updated) Author: B. (---) Date:
01-07-05 21:51 PST
(sorta summary for much of the
episode / Friday 7 Jan 2004)
Shallowme was mad that Jodáss brought the
child to wherever she was, because she doesn't like him (the kid) to be in that
type of place, whatever it was. Jodáss was mad because he doesn't like
Shallowme leaving the kid with other gitanas (it's as if he's afraid the kid is
going to blab something he shouldn't -- i mean, really!! the kid's not even two
yet!!). Jodáss is definitely NOT the father, and he knows and resents it. he
accuses Shallowme of not liking to have him anywhere near the child, although
if she does feel that way, it seems she has reason given that the only reason
he wants to have the kid around is as his beard: so far as he's concerned the
only good thing about the kid is that since he and Shallowme both say he's
their child, everyone else thinks they have a real marriage with sex and
everything instead of the complete sham they actually have, and thus he gets to
keep the "respect" that he claims he "deserves" (by the
way, his attitude during this whole conversation, coupled with the fact that
they're both perfectly sure that the kid is Seb's, leads me to be certain about
something i've suspected for a while: that even when Jodáss raped Shallowme, he
wasn't able to "perform," just as he had not been able to with Ho
Tramp that one time. not that not being able to follow through in any way
negates the fact that he made the attempt in the first place --as it
shouldn't-- but it would explain why in spite of the rape they both know the
child isn't his). Shallowme reminded him that she hasn't told ANYone that the
kid isn't his -- not even her mother. later, when he broke it to Shallowme that
the tribe would be returning to Malarribo, Jodáss warned Shallowme against
trying to revive her "glorious past" with Seb. Shallowme, offended,
just snaps that their lives are very different now.
speaking of fathers and sons, it's
interesting that Rajael tried to talk Seb out of marrying Ho Tramp. it's
incredibly clear that Seb doesn't love Ho Tramp at all -- my take at this point
is that he's mostly marrying her out of gratitude for her help with the fishing
company, because he's been convinced that she loves him --and is hoping that's
enough for both of them-- and to get his grandmother to stop nagging him about
it. (and who knows? maybe he's hoping Ho Tramp will stop clinging to him all over
the place and will leave him alone a bit for a change once they're married...)
he describes her to Rajael as "the woman i need," but in a very cold,
matter-of-fact way. Rajael points out that way back when, he himself had the
choice between staying with the woman who was "right" for him, and
the woman he loved. he chose the "right" woman, and look at the mess
that resulted. Seb is cranky with his father for bringing up Shallowme, but
Rajael says that it needs to be talked about, and points out to Seb that he's
still in time to change his mind. unfortunately, Seb is determined (i think
he's just afraid of the alternative if he should back out at this point).
Rajael, at least, appears to be the only one in Malarribo still convinced that
Shallowme loved Seb.
when Jodáss objected to going back to
Malarribo right after Farsiarca had just had a big argument with Jovanka about
it, Farsiarca lost it. Jodáss objected to the way his father was manhandling
him, and Farsiarca sortof apologized, saying he hates it that that
"maldito pueblo" has such an enormous influence over the tribe and
that he's the leader of such a cowardly tribe. Jodáss reminds Farsiarca that he
knows very well why Jodáss and Shallowme both have no desire to return to
Malarribo, and snarks that the reason Farsiarca is making them do it is only
because of his "associates" (Jodáss almost sneers as he says this --
which gives me a little hope for the kid). Farisarca just snaps that he's in
charge and doesn't have to answer to anyone.
Farsiarca has already used --and lost-- in
bad business deals all the women's jewelry he's been able to get hold of, along
with all the rest of the money anyone in the tribe might have. Milenka asked
Shrew to watch her baby for a while while she went to try to sell her necklace
so she could get a little money with which to buy milk for her daughter. Shrew
was shocked, and asked why Milenka didn't ask Farsiarca for help. Milenka said
she had, but he just told her that it was up to the parents to take care of
their children. Shrew seemed very disillusioned to hear this, and it, along
with everything else, seems to be really getting to her (and is it just me, or
does Shrew seem to have a lot less hair than of yore?). as others have said
here, Farsiarca owes those gun guys a ton of $ and they were laying into him
for it. he warned Jovanka and Pesky they would have to give him their jewelry
again, saying that this time he only needed it as security for a "sure
thing," but Pesky and Jovanka both snapped at him that they didn't have
any more jewelry -- he'd already lost it all. (before Farsiarca came over to
them, Pesky was complaining to Jovanka about how low the tribe has sunk that
the women have to plead to tell people's fortunes just so they can get enough
to feed their families. Jovanka snidely points out that this is Farsiarca's
idea of progress for the tribe --they've lost everything her father had so
patiently helped the tribe to build for themselves. Pesky tells Jovanka that
they need to get Vanya back as patriarch, that he's the only guy who can save
the tribe from completely ceasing to exist. hah. i'd say HAH, but i recall that
Pesky was never 100% behind Farsiarca, so i'll cut her this one tiny break.)
alone with Jovanka, Farsiarca also told her that in addition to the money she
left in Malarribo --which is now his, he snarls-- he wants to know all her
secrets. his attitude implies he thinks it's his right. but anyway, back to the
gun guys, Farsiarca, getting desperate, all but cowers as he assures them
they'd get their money but he needs more time -- he needs at least a month
(they'd given him a day), he snivels. when they didn't seem to be going for
that, he got desperate and told them that gypsies are allowed to go anywhere
without being stopped (by the way, although i believe that's so in Europe, i
have my doubts it necessarily is in the Americas, or at least, when it comes to
anyone trying to cross into the US. does anyone know?), hinting they could
smuggle goods for the gun guys, who are definitely interested. they give him
his month to repay the money. he has to pick up their merchandise and drop it
off in Puerto Santo.
oh, and Shallowme definitely knows Shrew is
Rajael's daughter.
tonight is not the first time that Seb has
had the fishermen leave him off at the shipwreck. according to Escudero, Seb
often seeks refuge there.
Jovanka's been keeping Vanya up-to-date on
his daughter, and even sends pictures.
i think it's interesting that Shallowme
plays at being a pirate captain with her son (remember? Rajael used to play at
that with Seb in the wrecked ship). i listened carefully for a name and am not
sure i heard one, though. i can see how some might think it was
"Emilio," but i think that was just Shallowme saying "el
niño." in a later scene with Jovanka, it sounded like they both called the
child "Fardi" or something of that sort.
Jovanka is not the only one in the tribe
who is super-cynical about Farisarca. we've already seen that Pesky is coming
over to Jovanka's side, even if it's not the gypsy thing to do, and it seems
like most of the rest of women, at least, have lost whatever respect for him
they might have had (assuming they had any to start with). Milenka saw the men
with a bunch of packages and a truck, and is guessing that they have something
to do with Farsiarca's dirty dealings. she just hopes that her father, as
Farsiarca's right-hand-man, doesn't end up getting into trouble as a result (by
the way, her dad is still gambling, and losing, big time. except that where
Vanya might have tried to find a way to stop him, Farsiarca either doesn't
know, or doesn't care). watching the men toast to their return to Malarribo,
Pesky snarks to Jovanka that THIS patriarch keeps the tribe "content"
with alcohol, parties, and dancing, and agrees with Jovanka when she comments
that it's a shame what they've become. Pesky adds that if Vanya is still in
Malarribo when they get there, they HAVE to convince him to return to the
tribe, even if its only as "one more gypsy." (side comment: Milenka's
dad is another of the many who are dubious about the wisdom of returning to
Malarribo, but Farsiarca smacks him down about it. besides, Farsiarca adds,
we're going to go there only long enough to pick something up, and then we'll
be gone. the way he describes it, they're just going to be breezing through.)
Claudio is going to Europe to try to hook
up with Mags, if he can find her. of course, his mother is in a total State
("how can you go to all those places full of "hippies"?!?")
and his father totally supports him. Camila gave him a pic of her kid,
"Jesusito," to give to Mags if he sees her, so she'll know what
Camila's kid looks like.
Shrew confirmed that Shallowme and Jodáss
are definitely not having intimate relations (not that any of us really had any
doubts anyway!). she asked Shallowme if she was nervous about the possibility
of running into Seb. Shallowme said she wasn't, because her life is totally
different. she does what her husband tells her to do, and goes where he tells
her to go. Shrew scoffs: "A husband with whom you do not have intimate
relations, Salomé... with whom you only sleep (as in sleep, not as in have sex
with), eat, and talk -- That's not a husband!!" when Shallowme shushes
her, she replies that she hasn't told anyone that, and she knows that going to
Malarribo is going to be very difficult for her sister. that's the last straw
for Shallowme: "Why do you like to torment me so much? I didn't chose to
live like this -- it's the fate I've been given, to sacrifice myself for those
I love. And I have more than enough to deal with with that, Sashenka! Leave me
alone!!"
Ho Tramp whined at Seb, asking where he'd
been when he turns up late for his own bachelor party. he tried to say that
time just got away from him and the other fishermen, but she told him not to
lie to her -- she knew he'd gone to the wreck (she made one of the fishermen
tell her by threatening to fire him if he didn't), and asked, with a nasty
underdone to her voice, if he was going to keep moping around the wreck once
they were married.
===============================================================================================================
Telenovela-World: [USA, 1/10/05] Hmm, what happened to Sandra in the 2
years? Author: Tuly (---) Date:
01-10-05 15:42 PST It just dawned on me that this
is the one character they didn't update us on -- wherever could she be? We saw
all of her family, but Sandra was nowhere to be seen ... I hope they let us
know what's been going on with her life. She's too good of a character to just
let fade away, IMO. Re: Hmm, what
happened to Sandra in the 2 years?
Author: maritere (---)
Date: 01-10-05 18:27 PST well, Tuly, we on the EC just found out
- she was off getting the world's longest haircut! She looks cute - and it seems that while Claudio was getting his
cash together to go find his Magda, she was home waiting for Mirko to come
back......and so....we'll see! :)mt
Telenovela-World: East Coast Crew: Spoilerfest,
anyone??? (SPOILERS FOR WCC) [USA, 1/10/05] Author: maritere (---)
Date: 01-10-05 19:28 PST
Wow!
is about all I can say right now! I think from now on we're going to be
verry busy commenting on the turn the show is going to be taking!
So many changes:
Jovanka, seeking first her priest (and
accepting that he was gone forever) and then seeking her father to show him
pictures of Milenka's daughter and beg him to save the tribe from Dirty Dealin'
Drago.. and the kicker...she now thinks Drago caused Yanni's death...which
gives Vanya a way to be de-exiled from the tribe....
Sandra and the newly orphaned Mirko,
delighted to see each other but the same old jealousy on Mirko's part making
Sandra chase him away...this time when it looks like Mirko's got nothing in his
way....
Claudio saying goodbye to his parents, leaving
to work his passage to Spain on a boat as a crewman to find Magda....and then
finding that the new member of the Gitano Liberation Front (wearing pants and
straight hair!) has checked in to Jovanka's old house....I think the one who
was happiest in all the reunions tonight was Claudio, and he's totally redeemed
in my book....what is Magda waiting for? He can be her press secretary as she
does her "mission" among the gitanas.
Sad, somber Padre Juan in D.F. running into
an astounded, still happy-go-lucky Branko - who didn't know anything about
Camila's pregnancy. But this new, priggish, standoffish, judgemental
Juan...where did he come from? Did Santiago brainwash him?!! This isn't our
Padre Juan, kids! Me temo que Holy Mother Church did a number on his head..!
And Sebas and Shallowne staring at each
other (and the baby) Shallowme practically in rags and Sebas in his wedding
suit - ahh, the LOOK on Erendira's face when the gypsies got out of their cars
and she saw Sebas look at Shallowme....(never mind Vicious Vicky looked like
she was ready to sprew right there when Drago made a point of stopping and
interrrupting the rice-throwing to throw some verbal daggers at the Dominguez
clan...what a pretty, totally insincere speech celebrating the newly married
couple (and showing off his family, chiefly the baby that he and Jodas know is
Sebas'...)/
And Rafael...still looking for Jovanka,
finding Magda instead but sill assuring her of his friendship.
Magda in camp in her gaye clothes, running
to her sisters....even Sashenka was glad to see her!
And the final kicker...why is Erendira's
father threatening QV with exposing her as a half-gitana?
Like I said, too many scenes to put down in
an organized fashion in a quick post...overall impression...things are going to
be happening FAST!
:)
Telenovela-World:
[USA, 1/11/05] Re: Translate Tuesdays conversations Author: Lidia (---) Date:
01-11-05 22:22 PST
1. Drago reaffirms his banishment of
Magdalena, but backs down when Jovanka reminds him whose money he's counting
on; she agrees to hand it over if she is allowed to live in her old house with
Magda as long as the tribe's in town.
2. Rafael says he has the right to know who
his daughter is. Jovanka, unsurprisingly, disagrees. Most of the conversation
consists of slight variations on this theme. At the end, after he goes for the
kiss, Rafael tells Jovanka she needs somebody to take care of her. She's
dubious about that, as well as about the kiss.
3. Salome endlessly tells Sebastian to go
away, but he's not good at taking a hint. He asks her if she's happy, in the
hopes that at least one of them has found happiness. She unconvincingly swears
she is, and begs him to leave again, but not before (finally) telling him that
they're not hermanos.
4. Jonas threatens Salome yet again. He is
very suspicious that she would want to leave him, wonder of wonders, and
reminds her of his vow to kill the gayo. There's more to this conversation that
I don't remember. He also tells her he's going somewhere with his pop.
Sorry it's not very detailed... I'm sure
someone can add what I've missed.
Re: Translate Tuesdays conversations Author: Gaviot (---)
Date: 01-12-05 05:22 PST
Jonas
also tells Salome that the baby's wellfare depends on the tribe continuing to
think that it's his. The minute anyone finds out otherwards, the baby will no
longer be protected.
I didn't catch if that was a direct threat
that he would do something to the baby or not.
Jodáss / baby Author: B.
(---) Date: 01-12-05 15:47 PST
<<I didn't catch if that was a direct
threat that he would do something to the baby or not.>>
i don't remember exactly, but my impression
was that it wasn't so much a direct threat (other than that he would withdraw
his protection of the baby and of Shallowme) but the implication was that the
tribe would reject Shallowme and the baby and kick them out on their own. and,
since Jovanka will still be with the tribe, Farsiarca will forbid her to do
anything for Shallowme, and of course Seb won't be able to because even if he
didn't already believe Shallowme had betrayed him, he would kill Seb anyway so
that Shallowme and the baby would be completely alone and abandoned. assuming
the tribe hadn't already torn them apart for her being faithless to her
wonderful, loving, "real" gypsy husband.
Telenovela-World: [USA, 1/12/05] ARGH!!!!! help,
please!! Author: B. (---) Date:
01-12-05 22:15 PST
so my old VCR finally gave up the ghost not
too long ago, and i got me a new one. i thought i had the new timer record
thing mastered, and there i was, out at an after-work thing, not bothering to
rush away minutes after i arrived because my VCR would be taping everything i
missed so i could watch it at my leisure later.
riiiiiiiiight.
i hate my new VCR. it totally WASN'T taping
at all. i got home 15 minutes before tonight's episode ended, realized it
wasn't taping, and hit the "record" button just in time to see Juan
be a total snot to Jovanka, but that doesn't change the fact that i missed
EVERYTHING that happened before that point.
did i say ARGH!!!!!!!!? well, ARGH!!!!!!!!!
so, can someone please tell me what
happened? or at least, what happened in the first 45 minutes? how did
Farsiarca's little goods run go? did it get screwed up? what --if anything--
did Vanya supposedly see that Jodáss (or someone) warned Farsiarca to let Vanya
talk to Pesky so he didn't start telling what he saw to get even with
Farsiarca.
what else (if anything) did Baldomero tell
Vanya?
i see from the last scene with Jovanka tonight
that Shrew decided to go live in the house with Mags and Jova --good for her,
although i am a little surprised, since she was the one who originally stomped
out to go live the life of a Real Gypsy at the camp. did they say what her
reason ostensibly was? what else did the women talk about?
Seb's scene with Queen Witch -- was he
still drunk, or had did the walk back to town help him sober up? i'm guessing,
since he seems to be in one piece, that he wasn't caught by any of the tribe,
or at least, not by any that are Farsiarca's toadies. should i assume that Ho
Tramp was eavesdropping again? (obviously, she hasn't learned the dictum that
you shouldn't eavesdrop lest you hear something you'd really rather not!!).
from a thread a little further down, she tries to off herself -- were we able
to tell if it was actually a serious attempt, or more one designed to attract
attention and make Certain People feel guilty? 'coz i seriously doubt we're
going to be so lucky as to have her actually die on us just yet.
anything else i might have missed?
Re: ARGH!!!!! help, please!!
Author: Lidia (---) Date: 01-12-05 23:00 PST
I'll do my best!
The goods run went so well that the drug
dealers asked Drago to do it again. He agreed, of course. So there's still a good
chance for things to go wrong later! Back at the camp, Jonas tried to question
Drago's motives. During Drago's lack of an explanation, Vanya showed up to give
Pasca the news about Baldomero. At pains they let him pass.
After Pasca happily greeted him, Vanya
revealed that her long-lost brother was lost no more, although very sick. Oh,
when he walked in on her she was reading the cards and divining the divine
revelation that life repeats itself.
Erendira seemed to be serious about offing
herself (yes, it was after eavesdropping) but you can't be sure with her.
Sebastian did a very manly job of trying to rouse her in the shower. I guess
there is no emergency medicine in Malarribo?
Saschenka is subtly softening toward gaye
life after two years without a bath. She even tried on Magdalena's pants, in
spite of chiding her about them. Though no official explanation was given for
why she chose to live with Jovanka, I think we can assume that she's just using
her common sense.
The other important part of the episode was
Juan's meeting with Jovanka. He was cold and scornful of her confused but
friendly advances, and even went so far as to ask her not to approach him
anymore. The only good result of this was that we saw Saschenka comforting her
mother.
thanks, Lidia! but one more question, if you don't mind: Author: B. (---) Date: 01-12-05 23:46 PST
can you tell me about Seb's scene with
Queen Witch? was he drunk? sober? accusing? questioning? what happened?
Re: ARGH!!!!! help, please!!
Author: Jess* (---) Date: 01-13-05 00:23 PST
Another thing you may have missed was Sebs
conversation with his granny. She gets on his case for leaving Erendira on her
wedding night and he tells her to stay out of his bussiness. QW says its not
just your problem its our problem because she's from my family and I gave my
blessing for this wedding. Sebs states you make it sound like an arrangement a
bussiness transaction. QW tells him I know you went to see Shallow. Sebs says
yes I saw her, I needed to confront her. We're not bro and sis, she confirmed
it. QW says and you believe what she says. Seb replies for everyone there was a
duda but you were the only one who was sure, I think its because you wanted it
to be that way. Seb tells her about the note that Jovanka left explaining that
they're not related and states I think my uncle Juan... (indicating he was
gonna tell her that he thinks Juan was lied to, yeah!!! good job- damn he's on
top of things for having that many shots of tequila) and then QW cuts him off
saying she's fed up, etc. etc. etc. (you're fed up girl, we're fed up with you)
I think Sebas will tell Juan his suspicions and bring up the letter Shallow
mentioned. Hopefully they'll put 2 and 2 together and figure out QW forged
another letter to control her son's life. I don't think it'll take too long for
that to get worked out.
Ok so I need a favor too, for some reason
the channel went out for about a minute when Jovanka was about to mention the
letter to Juan. What did she tell him about the letter, I caught where he said
he couldn't understand it and that it was not to be understood but to be
forgotten.
thanks, Jess -- and your question is one bit from tonight i CAN
help with: Author: B. (---) Date:
01-13-05 00:59 PST
although i didn't catch the very beginning
of the scene, i do have it from when she is out on the street going after him
(note: Juan's attitude and tone toward Jovanka throughout this whole
conversation is cold to the point of being frigid, with an undertone of anger
and outrage, sternly contained. he holds himself stiffly and is very
standoffish; hers is unhappy and pleading -- she's looking in vain for the man
she loved and believed loved her, but would be happy just to see the man who
was her friend):
Jovanka: Juan, Juan -- please stop! Juan...
What's wrong, Juan? Didn't you see me on the balcony?
Juan: Hello, Jovanka.
Jo: "Hello, Jovanka"? That's all
you have to say to me after nearly two years?
Ju: I don't think I have much to say to
you. Don't make me talk, please.
Jo: Make you? I don't understand why you
don't want to see or talk to me.
Ju: I'm seeing and talking -- What more do
you want?
Jo: No, no, please -- I don't want anything
more. I know you've made the best decision for you and I respect that, but I
don'--
Ju <interrupting>: I'm really very
tired, Jovanka. I've had a very long trip and I want to rest. We can talk some
other time -- that is, unless you disappear again tomorrow, or even tonight,
which wouldn't surprise me. Excuse me. <turns and walks away around the
corner>
Jo <catches up to him>: Juan, Juan,
please! Please, stop.
Ju: What do you want, Jovanka?
Jo: But what is wrong with you? You seem
like someone else. Who are you, Juan -- I don't recognize you!
Ju: Who am I? In truth, I'm not surprised
you should ask me that. Because if I became convinced of anything when you
left, it's that you never understood who I was and what I felt for you.
Jo: Don't speak to me like that -- I was
honest with you.
Ju: Oh, yes?
Jo: Of course. I wrote you all about why I had
to leave.
Ju: Yes, yes, that's true: You explained it
all. It was just a little late for a few things, is all. Jovanka, I'm asking
you to please not follow me -- don't seek me out any more -- that's all I ask.
Jo: I-- all this time, I--
Ju <interrupting again>: All this
time I have spent isolated from the world, trying to forget what happened. So
respect [my wishes] a bit, please, and understand that it hasn't been easy for
me to understand everything you wrote to me.
Jo: I thought you would understand.
Ju: Well, I didn't. I didn't understand it,
and I still don't. I don't want to waste any more time on this, because what
happened doesn't need to be understood, but rather forgotten. Good-bye,
Jovanka. <turns and walks away. Jovanka just stands there, looking
crushed>
=================
PS: were there any other bits or good
conversations in the earlier part of the show? it's strange... it's one thing
if i'm watching something and decide to mute the volument, or FF through a
scene on tape that doesn't interest me. but not being able to make the choice
to listen/watch or not to listen/watch is just FRUSTRATING.
Re: thanks, B. Author: Jess* (---)
Date: 01-13-05 07:53 PST
Everythings been pretty much covered but
here's part of the conversation btwn Vanya and Baldomero. Jovanka and Magdalena
and Shrewshenka's conversation oh and some of Jovanka and Rafa
Rafa tries to kiss Jovanka. Why are you
doing this? no tiene sentido, you're crazy. Rafa-but Juan's not here anymore.
Jo- i know but my feelings haven't changed Rafa- Do you still love him? Jo
evades the question and says I think the best would be si te acerques lo menos
posible a la casa and she leaves him outside
Shrew is taking a bath and loving it
(reminded me of Oscar from pdg). Magda calls her on it and says you missed this
house. Shrew says I didn't miss anything I don't like to live btwn 4 walls
(sure, then why are you there and taking a bath, hmm?) Magda says there's
nothing wrong with enjoying things even if you are a gitana. Shrew- stay with
your frivolities they are not for gitanas, we take baths in the river under the
moon (but she makes no attempt to get up or leave her bath and head for the
river) Magda calls her out again- you have such extreme ideas about gitana
life. I don't want to argue over stupid things, despite everything I still care
about you Shrew.
Basically Jovanka tells Magdalena that she
wants them to be united and that if Rafa comes to see her not to talk to him
and turn to the other way. she says she doesn't trust him, remember how he hurt
her (Rafa right now has no chance). At one point Magda asks her what's wrong,
Jovanka looked alterada and was pacing because of her encounter with Rafa.
Jovanka doesn't want to tell her. Magda says that's ok you can keep you're
secrets. Jovanka takes this as a dig at her and starts getting angry and
talking about how she doesn't want them seperated, always together. Magda tells
her that's not what I meant I mean you don't have to rendirle cuentas a nadie
(I'm working from memory so aguantame it might not be all completely accurate
and in the right order but its the gist of the conversation) Magda asks if
she's seen Juan. Jovanka says no. Sherw walks in and says don't lie to us
anymore. Magda says to be united we don't all have to think alike. She adds
after all this time now that we're together why are we arguing? she then says
she's gonna make them a great dinner. Jovanka and Shrew are shocked, shrew
follows Magda cooking I gotta see this.
This is when Jovanka goes to the balcony
and sees a shadow and realizes its Juan, she gets happy and Juan sees her and
stares then they make eye contact Jovanka smiles and Juan looks sad and looks
down and walks by. jovanka calls Juans name and he ignores her and keeps on
walking. She yells Wait wait and runs downstairs to catch up to him.
Vanya and
Baldomero (these are just summaries not verbatim)
Vanya tells a sick Baldomero that he should
go to Puerto Santo to get help. Baldomero says I want to die here. Baldomero
tells him you should go back with the tribu and Vanya says I can't I left.
Baldomero replies you remind me of a gitano that left and due to his
stubborness he didn't want to return. Vanya doesn't understand, since I've been
patriarca no one has been desterrado. Baldomero- you weren't patriarca you were
just a child. Vanya- who are you talking about. BAldomero- I'm talking about my
myself I'm the one who left and didn't want to come back not even to discuss my
reasons. I am the son of Carlomanio(?) who was exiled because he fell in love
with a gaye. I showed my dad solidarity. I was too proud. Is that what you
want? It's horrible. I wanted to be alone. I didn't want to return is that what
you want? Go back, go back, they need you. (i think this is what is going to
push him in the direction to take on Drago- that and when he goes to the
campamento to see Paska he sees the drug shipment. He tells Drago he's not
gonna let him hurt his people, Farciarca makes a snide comment about them not
being his people and all the while Lazlo is there as a complice he knows what's
going on and doesn't seem to care I think I caught him saying baaaa baaaaa.
Then paska tells him they need him, she doesn't like what's been going on.) Ok
that's all i could remember right now hope it helps I definitely understand
about the ff button if I don't wanna see it that's ok but not to be given the
option annoys me and it alwas seems like I miss the really good episodes too.
Telenovela-World: [USA, 1/13/05] **Dialogue - Juan/Jovanka** Author: Tuly (---) Date: 01-13-05 19:59 PST
Juan - Jovanka?
Jovanka - Yes, Juan?
Juan - How can you talk to me like that,
with so much cynicism, just as las night?
Jovanka - Excuse me?
Juan - I've come to get explanations about
a lot of things. I would like you to tell me how you were able to go so far.
How could you deceive everyone?
Jovanka - What are you talking about?
Juan - I'm telling you what I haven't been
able to say in almost two years, but that didn't mean I stopped thinking about
it.
Jovanka - I thought that you would understand,
that when you read what I wrote to you, you would understand.
Juan - Understand what? Who can understand
something like that? After reading what you left me, the only thing I felt was
let down and deceived.
Jovanka - I didn't have a choice, Juan. I couldn't
do anything else even though I loved you like I've never loved another.
Juan - Loved? Of course, of course ... I've
got to learn to talk in the past tense, so far back that I won't even remember
your face. But I don't know how to do that, Jovanka, and the only thing I've
accomplished is to be filled with hate.
Jovanka - I never thought that I would hear
words of hate against me from your lips, I believed you would understand.
Juan - I'm listening to you and I'm
thinking that you're not the woman that I thought I knew, the woman for whom I
was ready to change my life.
Jovanka - I had to do what I did for my
daughters, I had to protect them, I couldn't leave them alone, mainly because
of that daughter that I had with Rafael.
Juan (losing control and shaking Jovanka) -
How can you say that you did what you did because of that daughter?!? Have you
lost your mind, Jovanka, or what?
Jovanka - What's wrong, I don't know what
you're talking about, you're hurting me.
Juan - It's not possible that you don't
understand the sin you committed, that you made us all commit!!
Jovanka - Let go of me!
Juan - Only because you didn't tell the
truth in time, Jovanka! You allowed two siblings to fall in love, to marry, to
surrender themselves to each other! How would you like me to talk to you after
you allowed such an atrocity?
Jovanka - I can't believe this, and much
less from you, Juan. Where did you come up with that idea? How come you've made
up such a thing?
Juan - I didn't make up anything. You told
me this in the note you left me.
Jovanka - Note? I didn't leave you a note,
I left you a letter that Salomé took and left on your desk because I was not
allowed to leave camp, because if I had I wouldn't have been able to see my
daughters ever again!
Juan - What do you mean a letter?
Jovanka - Yes, a long letter wherein I
explained that I had to leave with my daughters, that I couldn't leave them
alone, in which I explained that Salomé was not Rafael's daughter so you
wouldn't worry because of what had happened between your nephew and her.
Juan - Wait a minute, Jovanka, that's not
what I received ...
Jovanka (starts to cry) - They fooled you, they fooled you, Juan. That's the story of my life and it once again repeats itself with you. A lie is worth more than all that we lived together. How can that be? How?
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Telenovela-World: [USA, 1/17/05] BREAKING NEWS! MAJOR MAJOR
SPOILER FOR WCC!!
Author:
maritere (---) Date: 01-17-05 18:16 PST
Are y'all ready?
Jovanka just asked Juan to confess her
and...he said no!
Because....
HE CONFESSED HE'S NO LONGER A PRIEST!!!
Excuse me while I go faint...DAA, I need
the icebag, not the icepick, please!
:) mt
Translation (quick summary, not
verbatim) Author: maritere
(---) Date: 01-17-05 18:51 PST
Juan was too ashamed to seek out Jovanka
once he learned about the trick with the note during their last conversation at
her house.
He thinks she was right to say he didn't
love her enough because he believed the note. Juan is full of self-doubt.
Jovanka is now all in forgiveness mode,
trying to reassure him, looking for Juan to react to her, to restablish their
special understanding and their connection, but he won't, he seems to be unable
to, or unwilling. He admits he doesn't know who he is anymore - or what he
wants to do with his life. He's living in the fisherman's quarter while he
thinks over his next move.
He explains that he's just spent 2 years
trying to get over what was in the note - after he came back from the desert to
find her gone. Jovanka reminds him the note was the lie and now he knows the
truth. Juan demands to know why she didn't tell him that one of her daughters was
also Rafael's. She explains that she couldn't, she had to protect the girls and
leave with them, etc.
He admits he went into the desert already
knowing that he loved her, he just needed a few days to decide definitely and
find the confirmation in himself to be able to change his life. But she didn't
wait for him - not even to say goodbye. That departure and the note drove him
to Mexico City.
Jovanka tries to find in this new Juan if
not her love, at least her friend...the friend that was able to give her peace
when no one else could...can't they at least still be friends? Juan doubts it.
Finally, Jovanka begs him to confess her, so that she can tell him the things
she needs for him to know. Juan refuses, citing the fact that confession is not
between 2 people, but between one person and God - the priest is just a mere
channel for reconciliation with the Divine. Jovanka insists she understands
this point, even when Juan repeats that it is not a game, but a sacrament, she
insists on confessing. That's when Juan drops the bomb: he couldn't even if he
wanted to - because he's no longer a priest.
He also tells her he was willing to leave
everything for her, but she had already left him! Jovanka's in shock now, as
Juan tells her how hard it was to go through the steps to leave the priesthood,
knowing that she would not be waiting for him, that there was nothing left of
the sentiment that united them...although he would try to grab onto what was
left of his feelings when things got bad during that time, even knowing it
wouldn't take him anywhere because she was gone. Jovanka sadly explains again
that she had no choice - she couldn't abandon her daughters, or her tribe.
She asks him if there's even a tiny chance
those feelings could come back. Or could they at least be friends? Juan replies
that he doubts it. He asks her if he had come back one day earlier from the
desert and asked her to flee with him...would she have gone? Jovanka thinks it
over and slowly replies that no, she couldn't have...because what kind of a
mother would she be, if she abandoned her girls when they still needed her so
badly to pursue her own dreams? Juan finally understands and becomes gentle
with her. He can't argue with her point. Of course she had to leave - and he
accepts that she did the right thing with her daughters. They kiss.
Juan
breaks away, and says that this can't go on. He has nothing left, but he didn't
come back to Malarribo to take up his life where he left off - he came back to
start a new life, but he has no clue as to what this new life will be.
He then asks her to tell him who her
daughter is. She tries to make him understand that she can't tell even him. He
replies that then they have no chance of a future together - she can stay then
with her tribe, her daughters, and her secrets. Jovanka is left pensive, head
down as Juan walks away from her, across the room.
Telenovela-World:
[USA, 1/20/05] The highlights... a brief recap
Author: Robin N (---) Date: 01-21-05 06:33 PST
Very brief and in not-necessarily crono
order:
• Shrew & Jodás make love in the woods;
she swears to be his and his alone and to make love with no other man. He wants
it to be just their little secret.
• Juan & Sebas cart off a fainting
Shallow, over Driago's very anxious protestations that he can manage alone, and
drive them back to the campground.
• Driago is in a panic that Shallow will
talk more, and indeed she does as she tosses and turns in her bed in her tent
as Jovanka and Juan look on. She tells them that Yanko is inside her and wants
to speak: Juan thinks it must be hallucinations and Driago siezes on that
("Yeah, what he said, hallucinations.") Finally, Driago boots Juan
and Jovanka from the tent when Jodás busts in and demands to take care of his
own woman.
• Jodás accuses Shallow of a plot to see
Sebas just so she can tell him that Faredi is his son, unknown to him Eréndira
is eavesdropping outside the tent and she's not happy to learn this detail. He
comes out to discover her and they mince words. This is one secret she definitely
wants kept.
• Shrew spots this confrontation with
Eréndira and gets jealous and in Jodás' face; he doesn't do much to reassure
her and Jovanka spots this strange too familiar talk and is suspicious (later
confronting Shrew who denies anything special was happening).
• Juan and Driago mix it up with words:
Driago tries to threaten him not to come back to the camp and Juan tells him
he's not a priest anymore so if Driago thinks of harming people who matter to
him then look out cause he'll kick his @ss.
• Juan and Jovanka start to exchange words:
she's ticked that he and Rafa talked about her and Juan "decided to step
aside for Rafa," and Juan was unable to finish his declaration that this
is NOT how things were because Eréndira was antsy to get on the road.
• There was a mysterious woman who looks
like she's cut from the same cloth as Eréndira making eyes at Juan during a
business chat with E's father, Juan, E & Sebas.
• Pasca tells Baldomero he should get well
so he can come back to the tribe. Baldomero tells her that it would be nice,
but he's not going back until his father is forgiven. He tells her about the
letters stolen by QV and the two puzzle over this.
• Rafa writes glowing prose about how great
Magda is and she comes to the tavern to see Camila, meets him, he invites her
for a soda, and while he's getting it, she reads his diary. She asks him what
he means by his saying in the diary, "…with her by their side, anyone
would be proud to...," but he is saved from answering by the return of
Camila.
• Camila tells Magda she's confused by the
return of Branko. Magda tells her that she's at risk of falling for Branko's
lies all over again but Camila tells her she thinks he's changed.
*A buen entendedor, pocas palabras bastan.*
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Telenovela-World: HELP, you guys I am SO confused! Author: Genesis (---) Date:
01-26-05 13:08 PST
Hey, everyone! I come again with the dear, dear
hope that in your magnanimous kindness and wisdom (it is said that flattery
will get you everywhere!)you can clarify some things for me. I am trying to
keep up with the story by reading summaries but I just can't keep everything
straight... I was reading that Juan and Sebastián are coming BACK to Malarribo,
where the heck are they then? What is this new business venture they have,
something about shrimp? Is Rafael involved? Why isn't he with them? Where is
the Queen of Evil... is she dead?... sorry, wishful thinking! Another thing I
don't quite get is the whole deal with Juan, does everyone in Malarribo know he
left the priesthood? Do the Gitanos know too? and WHY does it seem like Juan is
sort of resgined to never be back with Jovanka? Did they have a fight, because
it seems from what I have read that he is acting like the injured party and I
don't get that at all when he was the one who believed that idiotic note that
his mom wrote. I JUST DON'T GET IT! I am sorry if I ask too many questions but
its just that since the story is just getting started for me, I read the
summaries of the current episodes and it seems like they are describing a
different novela.
Thanks in
advance and again sorry for all the inquiries... darn, it! Why are these
novelas so frickin' addictive? Darn that Juan and Jovanka!! LOL
P.S.Nice
to know you guys are out there!
Re: HELP, you guys I am SO confused! Author: Marisa (---)
Date: 01-26-05 13:34 PST
So are those of us that watch since the
show began...this is the time that Juan and Jovanka should be developing a
deeper romantic relationship. Maybe this week we will see that happen but I
have a feeling that Jimena will be making a trip to Mallaribo..Jovanka is still
deeply involved in gypsy issues (father, kid's, tribe). The show has to get
moving and release all the secret's if these two will ever get together. Let's
see what happens with Sashenka and Drago tonight!!!!
The Magic Wand ending!
Author: Genesis (---) Date: 01-26-05 14:14 PST
I hope that after all that has to be
suffered they won't give us what I call the magic wand ending... you know the
one where they drag all the conflicts till they are all bled to death, and we
are all bored to death and then resolve everything in a few hurried episodes.
It sort of leaves you unsatisfied even if things end the way you want them to.
They should start resolving it all now so that we get to see a little happiness
spread around to those who deserve it. Keep me posted on the whole Shrew- Drago
thing! Glad to know I am not the only one confused! Thanks!
Let's see ... Author: Tuly
(---) Date: 01-26-05 13:40 PST
1. Juan and Sebastián are at Eréndira's
father's house -- wherever that is (but it's not in Malarribo).
2. Eréndira's father invested money in the
fishery a long time ago when the ships were wrecked. He paid for all of the
repairs and, as a result, Sebastián gave him a partnership interest in the
business. Now that Juan is no longer a priest and will be helping Sebastián in
the fishery, Juan has come up with a new idea to make money ... shrimp farms.
It seems that Mr. Lambert will also finance this venture.
3. Rafael no longer works in the fishery --
he runs Ofelia's bar instead. Ofelia now works at the fishery as secretary.
4. Queen V is in Malarribo and doing fine,
you'll be glad to hear <eg> -- it's just that the action hasn't been
centered there in the last couple of episodes (since Juan and Sebastián have
been away), she hasn't been in any scenes. The action in Malarribo has centered
around the gypsy camp (there's lots going on there as I'm sure you've read); a
couple of scenes at Ofelia's bar involving Rafael as well as Camila, Mario, the
baby and the newly returned Branco; and Jovanka's house.
5. The only people in Malarribo who know
that Juan has left the priesthood are Rafael, Sebastián, Queen V, Jovanka,
Vanya and Drago. As a matter of fact, Juan and Sebastián discussed last night
how the people of the town will take the news ... Juan is not looking forward
to the prospect of breaking it to them.
6. Juan seems to be resigned to have lost
Jovanka because they can't overcome serious obstacles, e.g., (1) Jovanka
refuses to tell him who the daughter she had with Rafael is even though Juan
promised to keep secrecy; and (2) Jovanka says that if she had to do it all
over again, she would once again choose her daughters and her people over Juan.
Hope this helps!
Thanks, Tuly! Author:
Genesis (---) Date: 01-26-05 14:05 PST
That does help a lot, thanks! It's weird
that Rafael is not involved in the business but I guess it never made him very
happy in the first place. Also I just don't understand the whole Juan-Jovanka
thing... when will they get over themselves enough to be happy? Again thank you
so much for taking time out to answer! Very sweet!
Telenovela-World: [USA, 1/27/05] Re: Darn, worked REALLY Late Author: timoteo (---) Date:
01-28-05 08:02 PST
I have only a few minutes, but:
Drago is going to rent fast boats and
smuggle his drugs into the US, and Laszlo goes to town to hire the fishermen to
run the boats. They all sign on for the big money that they are supposed to
earn, but no one is left to run the Dominguez fishery boats.
When Juan gets up in the plaza and
announces this, he also says that he is no longer a priest. The fishermen get
very mad at him, saying that they have confessed to him over the years and now
he has betrayed them by leaving the priesthood. They wonder if their kid's
baptisms will be any good.
Juan is back in his room dreaming of the
conversation he overhears between Jovanka and Rafael in the church, when Homena
walks in. She starts coming on to him a la Erendira.
Draog comes over to Jovanka's where the
three Marias are, with jonas. He announces his wedding suit to Sashenka.
Jovanka pleads with him not to do this. Drago insists, and asks Sashenka what
she thinks about it. Sashenka asks Jonas what he thinks. Jonas says its a big
honor to marry the Patriarch. Sashenka then, very disturbed, says yes and
tromps out.
Victoria refuses to admit that she took
Baldomero's letters when talking with Pesky in front of Sebastian. Back in the
Railside Casino, Pesky, Baldomero, and Vanya talk about this. Baldomero didn't
ever know that Carlo Magno fathered a kid, their brother/sister (Victoria) they
sit around wondering why Victoria would steal the letters.
Branko is sleeping on the steps of the
cantina apartment when Camila gets up. She feels sorry for him and Ofelia tells
Branko to lagarte. Camila sticks up for him and buys him breakfast. They are
talking in the plaza and Branko wants to drop trou right there and hoodle, but
Camila isn't sure. Mario is hiding on the sidewalk and watches all of this.
Later, Ofelia tells Camila that this isn't
a game she's playing and that Camila isn't very smart. She tells Camila that she
needs to be thinking of Jesusito, too. She tells Camila that she learned this
the hard way from Ropuerco.
The teaser shows Ropuerco meeting with
Victoria after Erendira sprung him from the calabozo and also shows Rafael
going to the camp and charging Dragiago, and Laszlo kneeing Rafael in the
groin, which causes him to drop.
timoteo
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USA, 1/31-2/4/05
Telenovela-World:
Dialogue/Diálogo - Juan &
Jovanka (Tues., 2/1) Author: Tuly
(---) Date: 02-02-05 16:56 PST
Juan – Jovanka, by God, you scared me. What
are you doing here at this late hour?
Jovanka – Juan, I ...
Juan – What’s wrong? Don’t scare me.
Jovanka – Please, don’t ask me to leave, I
need you. I need you today more than ever.
Juan – What’s wrong? Please tell me.
Jovanka – I’m sorry, I shouldn’t have come.
Juan – No, no, don’t leave. I’m here to
listen, to help. What’s wrong?
Jovanka – Everything, Juan, everything’s
wrong.
Juan – Calm down, I’m going to make some
tea. Nothing’s going to happen to you here. (Juan fixes a cup of tea and offers
it to Jovanka). Here, drink this, it's cold out.
Jovanka – Thank you.
Juan – Jovanka, you know I’m your friend.
What’s wrong? Haven’t you been able to solve the problem with Sashenka?
Jovanka – No. I thought that if I gave
money to Drago, he would forget that absurd notion of marrying her, but no,
that’s not the case. Everything gets more muddled up everyday and I ... I’m
sorry ... all I could think of was to come and see you.
Juan – It’s okay, I like it and it makes me
happy that you came.
Jovanka – I needed to talk to you ... even
if you can’t help me. Being by your side makes me feel secure.
Juan – You know you can always count on me
... always.
Jovanka – Thank you. Your counsel has
always been so important to me, ever since I met you ... no one talks to me the
way you do. Maybe that’s the reason why you’re the only person I’ve ever
listened to in my whole life and I wanted you to know that.
Juan – I also feel very good when I have
you near, Jovanka.
Jovanka – In spite of what you say, I feel
you’re distant.
Juan – No, it’s just that I’m trying to
think of a way to help you and I feel so useless. Have you talked to Rafael? He
behaved very well toward you when he confronted Drago.
Jovanka (sighing) – Yes, Rafael has given
me a lot of support lately. But oh well … maybe it was a mistake to come see
you and seek your counsel, you already have your life.
Juan – Don’t say that, Jovanka.
Jovanka – Really ... you don’t have to
worry about my daughters or about me.
Juan – Stop it, Jovanka, don’t close
yourself off. I didn’t mean to say anything that would bother you, it wasn’t my
intention.
Jovanka – I’m so stupid. You said to me
during our last discussion that I wasn’t capable of putting distance between
myself and my problems. And here I am acting stupidly by seeking your counsel,
when you’ve already decided to start living your life without me. I’m sorry ...
forgive me, Juan. (Jovanka starts walking toward the door).
Juan (taking her arm) – Jovanka, don’t
leave. If you came to talk to me, let’s talk.
Jovanka – What for? So that you can send me
to talk to your brother? To talk to your brother I don’t need to come here.
Juan – I know, forgive me, forgive me. It’s
just that it’s hard for me knowing that you and Rafael have a daughter,
Jovanka, and because of that, you have stronger ties that bind you.
Jovanka – Stronger ties than those you and
I can have? Is that what you mean?
Juan – Well, yes.
Jovanka – It’s true, I have a daughter with
Rafael, and that binds me to him ... and it takes me further and further from
you.
Juan – Jovanka ...
Jovanka – Yes?
Juan – Why did you come?
Jovanka – I don’t know. Maybe because you
got me used to this, to seeking your support every time things got difficult.
Maybe because I still need you, or at least your advice.
Juan – Come ... come, sit down. I think
that things are going to get even harder for all. Drago is not playing a game,
Jovanka, and not only with regard to Sashenka, but with the town of Malarribo
as well. There’s something not quite right about what he’s trying to do with
the fishermen.
Jovanka – And what will we do? What will I
do, Juan? My tribe, my daughters ... I don’t know how to help them.
Juan – Why don’t you start with the truth?
Drago handles lies and deceit, so you must be his opposite. Somebody has to
wear sincerity as a shield. Enough of the secrets. Enough of the half-truths.
You have to start with your daughters, with Rafael. You have to reveal to her
who her father is and to Rafael who his daughter is. You have to do it,
Jovanka.
*******************SPANISH*****************
Juan – Jovanka, por Dios, que susto me
diste. ¿Qué haces aquí a estas horas?
Jovanka – Juan, yo ...
Juan - ¿Qué te pasa, mujer? No me asustes.
Jovanka – Por favor, no me pidas que me
vaya, te necesito. Hoy te necesito más que nunca.
Juan - ¿Qué pasa? Dímelo.
Jovanka – Lo siento, no debí venir.
Juan – No, no, no te vayas. Estoy aquí para
escucharte, para ayudarte. ¿Qué te pasa?
Jovanka – Todo, Juan, todo me pasa.
Juan – Tranquilízate, te voy a preparar un
poco de té. Aquí no te va a pasar nada. (Juan le prepara una taza de té y se la
ofrece a Jovanka). Toma, toma que la noche está fría.
Jovanka – Gracias.
Juan – Jovanka, sabes que soy tu amigo.
¿Qué es lo que pasa? ¿No has podido arreglar el problema de Sashenka?
Jovanka – No. Pensé que dándole dinero a Drago
se olvidaría de la idea absurda de casarse con ella, pero no, no es así. Todo
se enturbia cada día más y yo ... lo siento ... solo pensé en venir a verte.
Juan – Está bien, me gusta y me alegra que
hayas venido.
Jovanka – Necesitaba hablarte ... aunque no
puedas ayudarme. Estar a tu lado me da seguridad.
Juan – Sabes que siempre puedes contra
conmigo ... siempre.
Jovanka – Gracias. Tus palabras han sido
siempre tan importantes para mí, desde que te conozco ... nadie me habla como
tú. Talvéz por eso solo a tí te he hecho caso en la vida y quería que lo
supieras.
Juan – Yo también me siento muy bien
contigo cerca, Jovanka.
Jovanka – A pesar de lo que dices, te
siento lejano.
Juan – No, es que estoy tratando de pensar
en como te puedo ayudar y me siento tan inútil. ¿Has hablado con Rafael? El se
portó muy bien contigo al enfretarse a Drago.
Jovanka – Sí, Rafael me ha estado apoyando
mucho. Pero bueno ... talvéz fue en error venir a verte y buscar tu consejo, tú
ya tienes tu vida.
Juan – No digas eso, Jovanka.
Jovanka – Es que de verdad ... tú no tienes
que preocuparte por mis hijas ni tampoco por mí.
Juan – Ya Jovanka, no te cierres. No quise
decir nada que te molestara, no fue mi intención.
Jovanka – Soy una tonta. Tú mismo en la
última discusión que tuvimos me reprochaste que yo no era capaz de separarme de
mis problemas. Y ahora yo de tonta vengo a pedirte consejo, cuando tú ya
decidiste comenzar a vivir tu vida sin mí. Perdón, perdóname Juan. (Jovanka
comienza a caminar hacia la puerta).
Juan (tomándola del brazo) – Jovanka, no te
vayas. Si viniste a hablar conmigo, hablemos.
Jovanka -- ¿Para qué? ¿Para que me mandes a
hablar con tu hermano? Para hablar con Rafael no necesito estar aquí.
Juan – Lo sé, perdóname, perdóname. Lo que
pasa es que para mí es muy difícil saber que tú y Rafael tienen una hija,
Jovanka, y por lo tanto tienen lazos más fuertes que los unen.
Jovanka -- ¿Lazos más fuertes que los
podamos tener tú y yo? ¿Es eso lo que quieres decir?
Juan – Pues sí.
Jovanka – Es verdad, tengo una hija con
Rafael, y eso me ata a él ... y me aleja de tí cada vez más.
Juan – Jovanka ...
Jovanka -- ¿Qué?
Juan -- ¿A qué viniste?
Jovanka – No lo sé. Talvéz porque tú me
acostumbraste a esto, a buscar apoyo en tí cada vez que las cosas se ponen
difíciles. Talvéz porque me sigues haciendo falta, o tu consejo por lo menos.
Juan – Ven ... ven, siéntate. Creo que los
tiempos que vienen van a ser muy difíciles para todos. Drago no está jugando,
Jovanka, y no solo con Sashenka, sino con el pueblo de Malarribo. Hay algo que
no me huele nada bien de lo que trata de hacer con los pescadores.
Jovanka -- ¿Y qué vamos hacer? ¿Qué voy a
hacer, Juan? Mi tribu, mis hijas ... no sé como ayudarlos.
Juan -- ¿Por qué no comienzas con la verdad? Drago maneja la mentira y el engaño, así que tú tienes que ser su opuesto. Alguien tiene que llevar la sinceridad por delante. Ya basta de secretos. Ya basta de tratos a medias. Tú tienes que comenzar por tu hijas, por Rafael. Tienes que revelarle a ella quien es su padre y a Rafael quien es su hija. Tienes que hacerlo, Jovanka.
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USA, 2/7-11/05
Telenovela-World: What an episode... [USA, 2/8/05] but some it was a
joke, right?! Author: Genesis
(---) Date: 02-08-05 05:59 PST
WOW! Shrew was fabulous in everything she
did and said! She looked like she was about to throw up, and that is exactly
how I would have felt. Poor girl, but she sure shared some of her grief with
everyone who deserved it.
BUT some of this had to be a joke, right?
After keeping that secret for so long Jovanka just spills it in front of
everyone, without even an attempt to explain more so that Shrew would
understand before she heard the news? And then, WHY was Jovanka acting like SHE
was the hurt one? Wanting just to HUG Shrew and telling her that it was killing
HER??? She should have been pleading for forgiveness for the fact that she made
her daughter build a life based on lies. Jovanka looked so hurt, WHY? She
should have had time to prepare for the reality of the fact that this was going
go happen, because she made sure it would by her secrecy, and the fact that
when she finally told the truth she didn't tell whom she should have told
first! AAAAYYYYY! WHAT is up with her? She is so good and wise in other
situations, why not here?
What a field day any good therapist or
psychologist would have treating all of Malarribo, not to mention all the gypsy
tribe! They'd make a fortune between Jovanka who thinks secrets are a solid
foundation for a good life, Shallow who is proudly following in her mom's
footsteps, Rafael who is content to live in a parallel universe with its own
reality, Sebastian who also follows his father's footsteps, Shrew who feels
lost between two worlds, Victoria who hates herself(and everyone else) with a
passion...
I have carefully chosen not to speak of
Juan... for now I have nothing even remotely nice to say about him! In honor of
those who have talked me into keeping my hope for him and Jovanka I will
refrain. AAARRGGHHH! Sorry, I had to allow myself that much!
Re: Juan never saw Jovanka on the street Author: Tuly (---)
Date: 02-08-05 07:05 PST
He was
going to the movies with Jimena and, as they walked away, Jovanka was walking
into town. Jimena turned around, saw Jovanka and smiled BIG ... Juan never
turned around, so he's totally unaware that Jovanka was there.
Re: The episode ended with
... Author: Tuly (---) Date:
02-08-05 08:56 PST
...
Sashenka over at the Dominguezes' house. Present were Rafael, Sebastián,
Victoria and Eréndira. Sashenka angrily told them that she hated them all and
that she would rather be an orphan than be related to them (the same thing she
told Jovanka).
Re: He did what???Genesis....
Author: mariana08 (---)
Date: 02-08-05 07:07 PST
Juan told
Ximena that he must do something to separate Jovanka from him.... and then he
said that he'll take her help....
Jovanka
was in town...destroy after what happened with Sashenka and it seems like she
was going to look for Juan when she sees Juan walking with Ximena and Ximena
noticed her... and grabbed him by the arm walking in a way of saying.....HE'S
MINE.........!!
I almost
got a heartattack!!! and you should have seen Jovanka's face of sadness.... but
like I told Kathleen we can't lose hope now...
Sorry I
answer for Kathleen......
read what
I wrote to Kathleen,
CHEERS,
Mariana08
Re: He did what??? Author:
Kathleen (---) Date: 02-08-05 07:07 PST
At the end, Juan was walking down the
street with Ximena after telling her he was not going to pursue Jovanka so that
Rafael could. She put her arm through his as they continued walking and, having
just come from the horrible revelations with the tribe, Jovanka saw them
together. I'm sick over it.
Re: She must have been
even more crushed... Author: Genesis
(---) Date: 02-08-05 08:13 PST
Poor Jovanka, not only did her secret blow up in her face,
but now Juan leaves her behind too? Sad for her, I don't think I could have
handled so many things without breaking down. OH, Kathleen, here we watch and
wait...
Re: Jovanka did make an attempt to talk
to Sashenka ... Author: Tuly (---) Date:
02-08-05 07:03 PST
...
before it all came out. They were all in the tent -- Magda, Salomé, Sashenka
and Jovanka -- right before the petición de mano. Jovanka said she needed to
tell Sashenka something very important ... the two other sisters begged her to
listen. But Sashenka wanted none of it. Not that that makes it right, but by
not listening to her mother, she got the humiliation by Drago instead.
Don't be too hard on Juan ... he's just
doing what he deems "just and honorable" by driving Jovanka away. Of
course, his perception is totally warped ... he'll figure it out soon enough.
Re: Tuly is right... Author: timoteo (---) Date:
02-08-05 07:11 PST
Jovanka knew that she had to tell Sashenka before she told
Drago.
But, Sashenka refused to listen to her. She
refused to listed to her sisters, who told her to listen to Jovanka.
Now, Sashenka is blaming Jovanka for
letting her find out in this manner. We have covered the territory of Jovanka's
secret, so I won't delve into this, but Sashenka cannot blame Jovanka for the way
she found out. Everyone: Jovanka, Magdalena, and Salome entreated her to
listen, but she didn't want to. Now Sashenka is finding the world at fault for
her situation. She built a world on fantasy, and when she found out that it
wasn't true, it is now everyone else's fault.
Tuly is right. Sashenka has never once
stopped talking, and only last nite did she listen, and only then because she
was forced to. In the past, I had hoped that this would shut her up, but she is
like Boris, my Siamese: nothing shuts her up and she has total staying power
when it comes to making noise and being a pain.
And, Tuly is right on with Juan. He is a
good guy. He is misguided. He will figure it out.
timoteo
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USA, 2/14-18/05
Telenovela-World: Re: Can someone give me the 411 on
todays episode [USA, 2/15/05] Author:
Mika (---) Date: 02-15-05 20:38 PST
Well I'm not good at recaps, and these might
not be in order... but here's some of what happened:
The drug-lords took Jonas away, and
threatened to behead him unless Daddy Dearest comes up with the money. ~ Drago
told Vanya that Drago is out "searching for his son", but Vanya knows
he's lying.
Jimena was in the office with Juan, giving
him a goodbye kiss on the cheek, and Jovanka walked in and saw them. She had
gone to Juan to show him the letter from Salome, saying she was going with
Sebastian to find Fardi. Jovanka's eyes turned green with envy.
Sashenka is walking the streets trying to
find employment, and Rafael is secretly following her. She came upon a street
musician playing guitar, and asked if he could play flamenco. She started
dancing, and people started tossing donations her way,
Sebastian and Salome visited an orphanage,
on the pretense that they were a childless couple, wanting to adopt. They
figured they might find Fardi there. As Sebas talked to an overseer, Salome
slipped away and ran into the cleaning lady.....wearing Fardi's medal. So
Salome started begging her for information.
Branco was miffed cause he saw Camila
giving Mario some supplies for the baby hunt. She told him "At least he's
helping to try and find the baby, unlike you."
Erendira went on a rampage breaking things
in her bedroom, when she found out Sebastian left to search for Fardi. She
seems to have an evil plan up her sleeve,
I'm sure other people can fill in what I
may have forgotten. ~
Telenovela-World:
Dialogue/Diálogo - Mirko & Alfredo
[USA, 2/16/05?] Author: Tuly
(---)
Date: 02-16-05 14:46 PST
Mirko – Good morning, Pa Father-in-Law. How
come the tired face?
Alfredo – I haven’t gotten any sleep.
Mirko – Ah, you stayed up betting the
profits at the casino, huh?
Alfredo – That casino is clandestine. I beg
you that nobody else finds out.
Mirko – Okay. And? How was your night?
Alfredo – Terrible. The patriarch of the
gypsies, that so-called ...
Mirko – Drago.
Alfredo -- ... Drago. He didn’t leave until
dawn. If he hadn’t been dragged out by some guys that he was playing with ...
Mirko – He was playing and betting?
Alfredo – Yes.
Mirko – And what do you mean he was dragged
out? By whom?
Alfredo – Some guys he was playing with ...
they didn’t get up from the table until the sun came up. This Drago is not a
trustworthy type, is he?
Mirko – Why? Why are you asking?
Alfredo – I’m not sure, I can imagine (he’s
not).
Mirko – Well, the truth is that I don’t
like to gossip about anyone, much less the gypsies, but to be honest, ever
since Drago took over the tribe, things are not going well ... they have been
going from bad to worse.
Alfredo – Then why does he continue as
patriarch?
Mirko – Well, a patriarch is elected for
life. And Drago is very astute at manipulating people, he’s always been that
way. And with the respect he has for gypsy law, he’s been able to win a lot of
people over ... like my father, for example. He was loyal to Drago until he
died.
Alfredo – If we are to judge by his
friends, I’m pretty sure that Drago is involved in something very murky.
Mirko – Yes, I think so too.
Alfredo – Tell me, Mirko ... don’t you miss
your people?
Mirko – What do you mean my people? My
people are you, Sandra, Claudio ...
Alfredo – Yes, I know, I know, but I’m
referring to the gypsies, to your former life. Don’t you miss them?
Mirko – Well, the truth is that sometimes I
get nostalgic, but that’s normal, don’t you think?
Alfredo – Yes, I understand.
Mirko – I always felt proud of my race, of
my people, of belonging to a culture that is so dignified and honorable as that
of the gypsies, but the truth is that little by little that pride has turned
into shame since Drago became patriarch.
Alfredo – What’s going on over there? Is
that Juan?
Mirko – It’s Juan.
Alfredo – Maybe there’s news about Salomé’s
son.
Mirko – Let’s go see.
***************ESPAÑOL***************
Mirko – Buenos días, papá suegro. ¿Y esa
carita?
Alfredo – Es que no he dormido.
Mirko – Ah, se quedó apostando las
ganancias en el casino, ¿eh?
Alfredo – Ese casino es un casino
clandestino. Te ruego que nadie se entere.
Mirko – Está bien. ¿Y qué? ¿Cómo estuvo la
noche?
Alfredo – De la patada. El patriarca de los
gitanos, ese tal ...
Mirko – Drago.
Alfredo -- ... Drago. No se fué hasta que
amaneció. Si no es que se lo llevan unos tipos con los que estaba jugando ...
Mirko -- ¿Estaba jugando y apostando?
Alfredo – Sí.
Mirko -- ¿Y cómo que se lo llevaron?
¿Quién?
Alfredo – Unos tipos con los que estaba
jugando ... levantaron la mesa cuando amaneció. Este Drago no es gente de fiar,
¿verdad?
Mirko -- ¿Por qué? ¿Por qué lo dice?
Alfredo – No sé, me imagino.
Mirko – Bueno, la verdad a mí no me gusta
hablar mal de nadie y menos de los gitanos, pero para ser franco, desde que
Drago se quedó al mando de la tribu, las cosas no están bien ... han ido
empeorando y empeorando.
Alfredo -- ¿Y entonces por qué continúa
siendo patriarca?
Mirko – Pues, un patriarca se elige para
toda la vida. Y Drago es muy hábil, siempre lo ha sido, para manipular a la
gente. Y con el respeto que le tiene a la ley gitana, pues ha sabido ganarse a
muchos ... como a mi padre por ejemplo. El le fué fiel hasta que se murió.
Alfredo – Pues a juzgar por sus amigos,
estoy seguro de que el tal Drago está metido en algo muy turbio.
Mirko – Sí, yo también lo creo.
Alfredo – Dime, Mirko ... ¿no extrañas a tu
gente?
Mirko -- ¿Cómo que a mi gente? Mi gente son
ustedes, Sandra, Claudio ...
Alfredo – Sí, yo sé, yo sé, pero me estoy
refiriendo a los gitanos, a tu vida pasada. ¿No los extrañas?
Mirko – Bueno, la verdad es que a veces me
pongo nostálgico, pero eso es normal, ¿no?
Alfredo – Sí, te entiendo.
Mirko – Yo siempre me sentí orgulloso de mi
raza, de mi gente, de pertenecer a una cultura tan digna y honorable como la de
los gitanos, pero la verdad es que poco a poco ese orgullo se convirtió en
vergüenza desde que Drago es patriarca.
Alfredo -- ¿Qué pasa allá? ¿Es Juan?
Mirko – Es Juan.
Alfredo – A lo mejor ya hay noticias del
hijo de Salomé.
Mirko -- Vamos a ver.
Telenovela-World: I'll try to transcribe dialogue tomorrow,
but ... [USA, 2/16/05?] Author: Tuly
(---)
Date: 02-16-05 19:21 PST
... the gist of it was that Juan refused to leave Jovanka alone
in the house while everyone was out searching for Fardi, though Jovanka kept
insisting that he leave because they now had lives apart from each other. Juan
was stubborn and stuck to his guns ... he then took care of Jovanka's hurt
ankle by putting some balm on it and wrapping it with a bandage; then he
proceeded to carry her upstairs to her bedroom.
Then came the usual -- we can't be with each other, though we
love each other, blah, blah, blah. Juan then decided to leave, but now it was
Jovanka's turn to ask him to stay. Juan gave her a kiss and took his leave.
I was ready to yell at the monkey writers when Juan, on his way
out the door, decided to turn around and head back up the stairs (following my
yelled instructions, of course, LOL!). As he was running up the stairs,
Jovanka met him halfway ... she had come down to stop him from
leaving. Juan said he had tried to leave, but he couldn't; Jovanka said how
much she needed him; they kissed. End of episode.
Tomorrow ... the previews show them getting intimate!
Telenovela-World:
Top Ten
Reasons I enjoyed this episode [USA,
2/16/05?] Author: maritere (---) Date:
02-16-05 20:28 PST
10. Sashenka didn't say one word the whole
show, (although I'm not sure if that was because she was trying so hard to
remember her dance steps she temporarily lost her powers of speech);
9. Sebas and Salome actually had a
conversation about something other than their ridiculous reasons for being
apart and were actually engaging in constructive adult behavior using their
compbined Aquaman/Shallowme powers to seek Fardi;
8. Jimena wasn't slithering around Juan,
leaaving him free to give Jovanka comfort, as well as a foot massage DAA would
kill for;
7. Escudero's obvious joy in bringing a
shred of hope and his ecstatic reaction to Jovanka's kiss of gratitude by doing
the "happy Escudero" dance out the door;
6. Juan FINALLY kissing Jovanka the first
time
5. Claudio pointing out to Magda that now
she has first-hand understanding, thanks to Rafa's gentle rejection of her
attentions, that unrequited love SUCKS:
4. Juan and Jovanka kissing for a second
time in the same episode;
3. Erendira's blessedly brief appearance in
tonight's show, her derangement indicating that, thankfully for us, the white
coats can't be too far off;
2. Milenka managed to have a conversation
with Vanya without any snivelling whatsoever; AND, Lazslo actually stuck up for
her and Vanya when Farsiarca tried to cut Vanya off;
and
everybody's Number One of the Tonight's Top Ten:
1. The Kiss that Stopped the World turning
in Malarribo for a minute in the closing scene!
Telenovela-World:
Dialogue/Diálogo - Juan & Jovanka (Wed., 2/16/05) Author: Tuly (---)
Date: 02-17-05 16:47 PST
Jovanka – Really, it’s not necessary that
you stay. I’ll be waiting here for news about the child. I’ll pray for Sashenka
and for my grandson so that God will take care of them wherever they may be.
Juan – Jovanka, have faith … your daughters
are what you made of them. I’m sure that all three will be fine. And the child
will turn up, you’ll see.
Jovanka – Thank you for lying and raising
my spirits.
Juan – No, no … I’m not lying. I have faith
that things will turn out all right because you and your daughters deserve it.
It’s only fair.
Jovanka – Life is not always fair, that’s
why I don’t expect much from it any more.
Juan – Don’t talk that way, Jovanka. In
spite of everything, life has given us opportunities to feel wonderful things,
don’t you think?
Jovanka – I told you to leave. I don’t want
to cause you any problems.
Juan – What problems are you talking about?
Jovanka – You decided to make a life away
from me, and I’ve realized that you haven’t wasted any time doing so. Someone
is waiting for you and that’s why you have to leave. No one is waiting for me
and that’s why I must stay.
Juan – Jovanka, please …
Jovanka – Goodbye, Juan.
Juan – I know that you want me to leave
because you think that I’d rather be with Jimena instead of here, but that’s
not the way it is, Jovanka.
Jovanka – I think I believe that that’s not
the way it is, but your behavior as of late tells me something different. And
so I don’t make myself crazy, I have to imagine that what you feel for that
woman is of substance. If not, why are you going out with her?
Juan – I’m not going out with anyone! Jimena
is simply a good friend, that’s all.
Jovanka – Be careful with what you say. I
wouldn’t want you to say something stupid just to say it and then hurt me.
Juan – Jovanka, how could I hurt you? I
don’t want to hurt you; I also don’t want to lie to you.
Jovanka – Oh, Juan, please, do as I say and
leave. I don’t know what I’m doing discussing this with you when I should be
worried about my grandson and my daughters.
Juan – Your worry is evident, so don’t
chastise and be so demanding of yourself.
Jovanka – I’m stupid and I become even more
stupid when you’re next to me. It’s not fair, I shouldn’t feel this way. You
and I are clear on the fact that a separation and distance is the best thing
(for us). So why am I acting like a dumb teenager?
Juan – I don’t know … but you look very
pretty. What I want you to know is that there is nothing going on between
Jimena and me. On the other hand, I don’t want to deny that she’s given me a
great deal of support and has been by my side during trying times.
Jovanka – Pardon me, Juan, but if you don’t
leave, I’m going to close my eyes and I’m going to imagine that you’re not
here, that you don’t exist.
Juan takes her face between his hands and
kisses her.
Juan – I don’t exist?
Jovanka – Juan … I … I have things to do.
Jovanka goes up to the second floor and
comes back later to find Juan lying on the sofa, napping.
Jovanka – Juan …
Juan (waking up) – I thought that you had
gone to bed. What are you doing with those clothes?
Jovanka – I’m going to put Sashenka’s
clothes in a trunk. Only she’ll know whether she’ll use them again or not.
Juan – And you can’t put that aside and sit
here beside me?
Jovanka – I already made it clear that if
you didn’t leave, then I would ignore you and make believe you weren’t here.
Escudero interrupts and gives them the news
that Sebastián called on the radio and that he and Salomé were following a clue
that might lead them to Fardi. When Escudero leaves, Juan hugs Jovanka.
Later, we find Jovanka praying before the
icon of Santa Sara …
Jovanka – Thank you for bringing me news of
my daughter, Santa Sara. Now take care of her, protect her from all evil, look
out for her wellbeing among bad people, and give your blessing to my grandson
who’s nothing more than an innocent child in all of this. Also, don’t forget to
watch over my daughter, Sashenka, wherever she may be, don’t abandon her or
Rafael who is looking for her. (Juan comes up quietly behind Jovanka and
overhears her prayer while he notices a large bruise on her ankle). Help him to
find her and bring her back to us … bring her home.
Next we see Jovanka reclining on a chaise
longue while Juan gently rubs a balm on her ankle and foot …
Jovanka – You’re making a big deal out of
nothing, Juan.
Juan – Your foot is very hurt; I don’t know
how you’re able to walk.
Jovanka – So now you’re the doctor that
will cure me.
Juan – I just want to apply a balm so that
you can rest and tomorrow the swelling will have gone down and you will feel
better.
Jovanka – I’m never going to feel better.
Juan – From your foot, yes, you’ll see. Do
you feel better?
Jovanka looks straight ahead, ignoring
Juan.
Juan – All right, all right … if you don’t
want to say anything, then suit yourself. Even if you felt wonderfully, you wouldn’t
say anything. But you have tended my wounds many times, so the least I can do
is to reciprocate with the same love and dedication that you have given me so
many times. (Juan starts to bandage the foot … Jovanka winces). I’m sorry … I
know it hurts.
A bit later, while Jovanka is still
resting, Juan comes up with a tray bearing two wine glasses, a bottle of wine
and a rose.
Juan – Would the lady like anything else?
Jovanka – You’re overdoing it, Juan. How
much longer do I have to stay here without moving?
Juan – Don’t take your health so lightly.
You shouldn’t move nor walk at all from tonight until tomorrow. That way you’ll
give your foot a rest.
Jovanka – This is crazy. It’s already
unfair that I’m here while my daughters search for my grandson, and moreover
that I sit here and rest while somebody waits on me.
Juan (offering her a bite to eat) – You’ll
love this, you’ll see.
Jovanka – Juan, you’re not listening. I
don’t want any more service or to be spoiled. I want you to leave.
Juan – Do you know how many times today
you’ve told me to leave? You should realize by now that you’re not getting
anywhere. Why don’t you give up and let me take care of you?
Jovanka – I should be taking care of my
daughters and my grandson, not letting someone spoil me.
Juan – One thing is what you think, another
is what I think. And for your information, I’m going to take care of and look
out for you, because that is what I want to do. So let me give you some advice:
close your eyes, and even if it’s for a minute, allow yourself to believe that
everything will be alright, that tomorrow there won’t be tears or problems, and
that you will be happy with those whom you love.
Jovanka once again stares ahead, ignoring
Juan.
Juan – I’m telling you to close your eyes,
stubborn one!
Jovanka finally does as Juan asks, she
closes her eyes, and tears start to slowly run down her cheeks.
Juan – Rest, relax, it’s going to do you
good.
Jovanka – I would like to fall asleep and
forget about the whole world, but I can’t.
Juan – Of course not, because every person
you love is important to you, that’s why you can’t.
Jovanka – I don’t even know if I love well.
Juan – You have to have faith in what
you’ve planted, in your daughters which are the most precious things you have
reaped in your life, and that’s why they won’t let you down and they’ll fare
well against all the odds they have to go up against.
Jovanka – And you?
Juan – What about me?
Jovanka – You’re also part of what I’ve
planted, or at least of what I’ve found in my path and that I’ve felt was mine,
and nonetheless I gave you up. I gave you up so that I could follow my
daughters.
Juan – No, by God. Now I understand that it
couldn’t have been any other way. It was very selfish of me to reproach your
doing it. Now I understand that you didn’t have another alternative.
Jovanka – I’m not so sure of that.
Juan – Well I am, because that has been
your life … to love others without allowing yourself to think about what you
needed or wanted. (Juan kisses her lightly).
Jovanka – It’s a curse.
Juan – What?
Jovanka – Happiness.
Juan – No, don’t say that.
Jovanka – I have to say it because it’s the
truth. We touched the heavens and were on the verge of staying there, but we
couldn’t.
Juan – It’s true, we couldn’t.
Jovanka – God showed us the entrance to
happiness so that we could know what we would be sacrificing for the rest of
our lives.
Juan – Let’s not bring God into this. We
can’t blame Him for that happiness that we were unable to have. (Juan looks
lovingly at Jovanka). I’m going to take you to your room.
Juan takes Jovanka in his arms and takes
her to her bedroom. He lays her down on the bed and …
Jovanka – Why are you doing all of this for
me?
Juan – I already told you … because I worry
about you.
Jovanka – And you confuse me. You give me
all of this service, this love … what for? Why are you making me feel good so
that tomorrow you’ll cast me aside again?
Juan – No, Jovanka, I would never cast you
aside. You’re too important to me.
Jovanka – Look at us, both of us desiring
to with all our hearts to kiss and not daring to. In the midst of all of this
misfortune, the only thing that would console me is that which I can’t have.
Juan – That which we can’t have … neither
one of us. It’s best if I leave now.
Jovanka (taking Juan’s hand) – You’re
leaving?
Juan – You’ve been asking me to leave for
hours and now you don’t want me to?
Jovanka – I just wanted to thank you. Now
you can leave.
Juan comes close to Jovanka and kisses her
… then he turns around and leaves. Juan climbs down the steps and walks with
determination toward the front door, but the memories stop him …
- Look at us, both of us desiring to with
all our hearts to kiss and not daring to. In the midst of all of this
misfortune, the only thing that would console me is that which I can’t have.
- That which we can’t have … neither one of
us. It’s best if I leave now.
- You’re leaving?
Juan changes his mind and runs with purpose
back toward the stairs … he runs into Jovanka who’s running down from her room
… they share an intense hug.
Juan – I tried, Jovanka, I swear that I
tried, but I can’t handle it any more.
Jovanka – And I couldn’t let you leave
without telling you that I need you.
Juan and Jovanka share a passionate kiss …
end of episode.
***************ESPAÑOL***************
Jovanka – De verdad que no hace falta que
te quedes. Yo voy a estar pendiente por si alguien trae alguna noticia sobre el
niño. Voy a rezar por Sashenka y por mi nieto para que Dios los cuide donde
quiera que estén.
Juan – Jovanka, ten fe que tus hijas son lo
que tú hiciste de ellas. Estoy seguro de que las tres van a estar bien. Y ese
niño va a aparecer, ya lo verás.
Jovanka – Gracias por mentir y darme
ánimos.
Juan – No, no … no te estoy mintiendo. Yo
tengo fe en que las cosas van a salir bien porque tú y tus hijas se lo merecen.
Es justo que así sea.
Jovanka – No siempre la vida es justa, así
que yo ya no espero mucho de ella.
Juan – No hables así, Jovanka. A pesar de todo,
la vida nos ha dado oportunidades de sentir cosas maravillosas, ¿o no?
Jovanka – Te dije que te fueras. No quiero
ser la causante de ningún problema.
Juan -- ¿De qué problema me estás hablando?
Jovanka – Tú decidiste hacer tu vida
apartado de mí, en otro lado, y ya me dí cuenta que no has perdido tiempo para
hacerlo. Alguien te espera y por eso tienes que irte. A mí no me espera nadie y
por eso debo quedarme.
Juan – Jovanka, por favor …
Jovanka – Adiós, Juan.
Juan – Sé que quieres que me vaya porque
piensas que quiero estar con Jimena en vez de estar aquí, pero eso no es así,
Jovanka.
Jovanka – Yo creo saber que eso no es así,
pero tu comportamiento ultimamente dice otra cosa. Y para no volverme loca
tengo que imaginarme que lo que sientes por esa mujer tiene algún sentido.
Sino, ¿por qué andas con ella?
Juan – ¡Yo no ando con nadie! Jimena
simplemente es una buena amiga, nada más.
Jovanka – Cuidado con lo que hablas. No
quiero que vayas a decir una estupidez como si fuera cualquier cosa y me hagas
daño.
Juan – Jovanka, ¿cómo te voy a hacer daño?
Yo no quiero hacerte daño, tampoco te quiero mentir.
Jovanka – Ay, Juan, por favor, hazme caso y
vete. Yo no sé que hago hablando esto contigo cuando debería de estar
preocupada por mi nieto y por mis hijas.
Juan – Tu preocupación es evidente, así que
no te recrimines ni te exijas tanto.
Jovanka – Soy una estúpida y me pongo más
estúpida cuando estás a mi lado. No es justo, no debería ser ya así. Tú y yo
estamos claros que la separación y la distancia es lo mejor. ¿Así que por qué
me comporto como una tonta adolescente?
Juan – No lo sé …pero te ves tan linda. Lo
que quiero que sepas es que Jimena y yo no tenemos absolutamente nada. Tampoco
te voy a negar que ha sido una persona que me ha dado apoyo y ha estado al lado
mío en momentos muy difíciles.
Jovanka – Lo siento, Juan, pero si no te
vas, voy a cerrar los ojos y voy a imaginar que no estás, que no existes.
Juan le toma el rostro y la besa.
Juan -- ¿No existo?
Jovanka – Juan … yo … tengo cosas que
hacer.
Jovanka se va hacia el segundo piso y
regresa más tarde para encontrar a Juan, reclinado en el sofá, dormido.
Jovanka – Juan …
Juan (despertándose) – Pensé que ya te
habías ido a dormir. ¿Qué haces con esa ropa?
Jovanka – Voy a guardar ropa de Sashenka en
un baúl. Solo ella sabrá si volverá o no a usarla.
Juan -- ¿Y no puedes dejar eso y sentarte
aquí conmigo?
Jovanka – Dije claramente que si no te
marchabas, entonces iba a ignorarte como si no estuvieras aquí.
Escudero interrumpe y les da la noticia de
que Sebastián se había comunicado por radio y que él y Salomé están siguiendo
una pista que es posible que los lleve a Fardi. Cuando Escudero se va, Juan
abraza a Jovanka.
Más tarde, Jovanka se encuentra rezando
ante el ícono de Santa Sara …
Jovanka – Gracias por darme noticias de mi
hija, Santa Sara. Ahora cuídala, protégela de todo mal, vela por ella frente a
la gente mala, y pon tu bendición sobre mi nieto que no es más que una criatura
inocente en medio de todo esto. También no dejes de estar con mi hija,
Sashenka, donde quiera que esté, no la abandones … igual que a Rafael que la
está buscando. (Juan se acerca y escucha la oración mientras se fija en el
tobillo lastimado de Jovanka). Ayúdalo para que la encuentre y la pueda
regresar con nosotros … a su casa.
Vemos a Jovanka recostada mientras Juan le
frota un ungüento en el tobillo y el pié …
Jovanka – Esto que estás haciendo es una
tontería, Juan.
Juan – Tienes el pié muy lastimado; no sé
como puedes caminar.
Jovanka – Y ahora resulta que tú eres el
médico que me va a curar.
Juan – Solo te quiero poner un ungüento
para que descanses y mañana la inflamación baje y tú te sientas mejor.
Jovanka – Yo ya no me sentiré mejor nunca.
Juan – De tu pié sí, ya verás. ¿Te sientes
mejor?
Jovanka mira fijamente hacia adelante,
ignorándolo.
Juan – Está bien, está bien … si no quieres
decir nada, no lo hagas. Aunque te sintieras de maravilla, no dirías nada. Pero
tú me has curado muchas veces las heridas, así que lo menos que puedo hacer es
corresponderte con el mismo cariño y la misma dedicación que me has dado tantas
veces. (Juan le comienza a vendar el pié). Perdón … yo sé que duele.
Más tarde, mientras Jovanka sigue
reposando, Juan se aparece con una bandeja que contiene dos copas, una botella
de vino y una rosa.
Juan -- ¿La señora desea algo más?
Jovanka – Esto es una exageración, Juan.
¿Cuánto tiempo más tengo que quedarme aquí sin moverme?
Juan – Con la salud no se juega. Tú no
deberías moverte ni caminar por lo menos entre esta noche y mañana. Así dejarás
descansar el pié.
Jovanka – Es una locura. Ya de por sí no es
justo que yo esté aquí mientras mis hijas buscan a mi nieto, para que encima me
ponga a descansar y a que me sirvan.
Juan (ofreciéndole algo de comer) – Ya
verás que esto te va a encantar.
Jovanka – Juan, no me estás escuchando. No
quiero más atenciones ni consentimientos. Quiero que te vayas.
Juan -- ¿Sabes cuantas veces me has dicho
en el día de hoy que me vaya? Deberías darte cuenta que ya no logras nada con
eso. ¿Por qué no te das por vencida y dejas que te cuide?
Jovanka – Yo debería cuidar de mis hijas y
de mi nieto, no ser cuidada por nadie.
Juan – Una cosa es lo que piensas tú, y
otra lo que pienso yo. Y para tu información, te voy a cuidar y voy a velar por
tí, porque eso es lo que yo quiero hacer. Así que te voy a dar un consejo:
cierra los ojos y aunque sea por un minuto, permítete creer que todo va a salir
bien, que mañana no habrán llantos ni problemas, y que vas a ser felíz junto a
los seres que amas.
Jovanka de muevo mira hacia adelante
ignorando a Juan.
Juan -- Qué cierres los ojos, te digo …
¡cabezota!
Jovanka finalmente hace caso, cierra los
ojos, y lágrimas se empiezan a deslizar por sus mejillas.
Juan – Descansa, relájate, te va a hacer
bien.
Jovanka – Quisiera dormir y olvidarme del
mundo, pero no puedo.
Juan – Claro que no, porque te importa cada
una de las personas que amas, por eso no puedes.
Jovanka – No sé ni siquiera si amo bien.
Juan – Tienes que tener fe en lo que has
sembrado, en tus hijas que es lo más hermoso que has cosechado en tu vida, y
por eso se que no te van a defraudar y van a salir muy bien de lo que tienen
que enfrentar.
Jovanka -- ¿Y tú?
Juan -- ¿Yo qué?
Jovanka – Tú también eres parte de lo que he
sembrado, o por lo menos que me he encontrado en mi camino y que he sentido
mío, y sin embargo te cambié. Te cambié para seguir a mis hijas.
Juan – No, por Dios. Ahora entiendo que no
pudo haber sido de otra forma. Fuí muy egoísta cuando te reclamé haberlo hecho.
Ahora entiendo que no te quedaba ninguna otra alternativa.
Jovanka – Yo no estoy tan segura de eso.
Juan – Pues yo sí, porque esa ha sido tu
vida … querer a los demás sin permitirte pensar en tí o en lo que necesitabas o
querías. (Juan la besa levemente).
Jovanka – Es una maldición.
Juan -- ¿Qué cosa?
Jovanka – La felicidad.
Juan – No, no digas eso.
Jovanka – Lo tengo que decir porque es la
verdad. Nosotros tocamos el cielo y estuvimos a punto de quedarnos a vivir en
él, pero no pudimos.
Juan – Es verdad, no pudimos.
Jovanka – Dios nos mostró la entrada de la
felicidad nada más para que supieramos lo que estabamos sacrificando por el
resto de nuestras vidas.
Juan – No metamos a Dios en esto. No le
podemos echar la culpa a Él de esa felicidad que se nos negó. (Juan mira
cariñosamente a Jovanka) . Te voy a llevar a tu recámara.
Juan carga a Jovanka y la lleva a su
recámara. La deposita sobre su cama y …
Jovanka -- ¿Por qué haces todo esto por mí?
Juan – Ya te lo dije … porque me preocupas.
Jovanka – Y a mí me desconciertas. Me
tratas con todas estas atenciones, este cariño … ¿para qué? ¿Para qué me haces
sentir bien si mañana vas a volver a hacerme a un lado?
Juan – No, Jovanka, yo nunca te haría a un
lado. Eres demasiado importante para mí.
Jovanka – Míranos, los dos aquí deseando
con toda el alma besarnos y sin atrevernos a hacerlo. En medio de tanta
desgracia, lo único que puede darme consuelo es lo que no puedo tener.
Juan – Lo que no podemos tener … ni tú, ni
yo. Será mejor que me vaya.
Jovanka (tomándole la mano a Juan) -- ¿Te
vas?
Juan – Llevas horas diciéndome que me vaya
¿y ahora no quieres?
Jovanka – Solo quería decirte gracias.
Ahora ya puedes irte.
Juan se acerca a Jovanka y la besa … luego
da media vuelta y se va. Juan baja las escaleras y camina con determinación
hacia la puerta de la calle, pero los recuerdos lo detienen …
- Míranos, los dos aquí deseando con toda
el alma besarnos y sin atrevernos a hacerlo. En medio de tanta desgracia, lo
único que puede darme consuelo es lo que no puedo tener.
- Lo que no podemos tener … ni tú, ni yo.
Será mejor que me vaya.
- ¿Te vas?
Juan cambia de parecer y corre con ímpetus
hacia las escaleras … se topa con Jovanka quien viene corriendo desde su cuarto
… se abrazan intensamente.
Juan – Lo intenté, Jovanka, te juro que lo
intenté, pero ya no puedo más.
Jovanka – Y yo no pude dejar que te fueras
sin decirte que me haces falta.
Juan y Jovanka se besan apasionadamente …
fin del capítulo.
Telenovela-World:
Dialogue/Diálogo - Juan & Jovanka (Thurs, 2/18/05) Author: Tuly (---) Date: 02-18-05 08:00 PST
In Jovanka’s bedroom, Juan and Jovanka hug
and kiss. Then …
Jovanka – I would give anything to stop the
world and be with you as if nothing else existed, even for a few hours.
Juan – I will always be with you, my love,
always! I will always take care of you, I will protect you. All of my passion
is yours, my kisses, my caresses, everything.
Jovanka – I love you, Juan, I love you. If
you’re going to take care of me tonight, take care of me for the rest of my
days.
More passionate kisses and caresses …
Jovanka unbuttons Juan’s shirt as they kiss … Juan reciprocates by undressing
Jovanka … they make love.
“After the lovin’” <g>, Juan and
Jovanka lie in bed happy and content (and probably exhausted!) … Jovanka
resting her head on Juan’s chest,
Jovanka – How come it took us so long to
make love, Juan?
Juan – I wanted to be honest with everyone,
with my beliefs, with yours …
Jovanka – I’ve dreamt of this moment for so
long …
Juan – Just as I have, my love, just as I
have.
Jovanka – Like that day that we kissed each
other in the jail …
Juan – That day I told you that reality
with you was much more wonderful than dreams, remember?
Jovanka – I thought you were exaggerating.
Juan – Of course not.
Jovanka – I know, now I know … and I’d like
to tell you that I think you are the most wonderful man that I’ve known in my
life.
Juan – Really?
Jovanka – All that I’ve dreamed now seems
like nothing compared to this, that’s why I’m going to stop dreaming and not
leave your side ever again.
They share another passionate kiss.
Morning dawns … Jovanka awakens to find
that Juan is no longer next to her, but as she looks around, she sees that her
entire bed is covered by rose petals. Juan comes in carrying a tray …
Juan – Good morning. I took the liberty of
invading your kitchen to make you something for breakfast.
Jovanka – And the flowers?
Juan – I also took the liberty of invading
your garden to bring you a few flowers to keep you company. Of course, if you
don’t like them, if they don’t make you happy …
Jovanka (smiling) – You’re being silly.
(She sits up and takes Juan’s hand). Tell me that it wasn’t a dream, tell me
that all that happened last night was not a lie. Tell me.
Juan (tenderly) – It wasn’t a dream … it’s
not a lie. It’s the truth. I love you, Jovanka.
Final passionate kiss of the night …
********************ESPAÑOL********************
En la recámara
de Jovanka, Juan y Jovanka se abrazan y se besan. Entonces …
Jovanka -- Daría cualquier cosa por detener
el mundo y estar junto a tí sin que nada existiera, aunque sea por unas horas.
Juan -- Siempre estaré contigo, mi amor,
¡siempre! Siempre te cuidaré y te protegeré. Toda mi pasión es tuya … mis
besos, mis caricias, todo.
Jovanka -- Te amo, Juan … te amo. Si vas a
cuidar de mí esta noche, cuida de mí el resto de mis días …
Ambos se besan y se acarician
apasionadamente. Mientras se besan, Jovanka le desabotona la camisa a Juan …
Juan es recipróco desvistiendo a Jovanka … y hacen el amor.
Después de la “jornada” :o), Juan y Jovanka
están abrazados y felices (¡y exhaustos!) en la cama …
Jovanka -- ¿Cómo pudimos tardar tanto
tiempo en amarnos, Juan?
Juan -- Quise ser sincero con todos, con
mis creencias, con las tuyas.
Jovanka -- Soñé tanto tiempo con este
momento …
Juan -- Igual que yo mi amor, igual que yo.
Jovanka -- Como el día en el que nos
besamos en la cárcel …
Juan -- Ese día te dije que la realidad
contigo era mucho más maravillosa que los sueños, ¿te acuerdas?
Jovanka -- Pensé que exagerabas.
Juan -- Por supuesto que no.
Jovanka -- Lo sé, ahora lo sé. Por eso
ahora soy yo la que te digo que eres el hombre más maravilloso que he conocido
en mi vida.
Juan -- ¿En serio?
Jovanka -- Todo lo que había soñado se ha
vuelto nada al lado de esto. Por eso pienso dejar de soñar y no pienso
separarme de tí nunca más.
Se dan otro beso apasionado …
Al
amanecer, Jovanka despierta y se dá cuenta que Juan no está a su lado, pero
cuando se sienta en su cama, ve que ésta está llena de pétalos de rosas. Entra
Juan trayéndole el desayuno.
Juan -- Buenos días. Me tomé el
atrevimiento de invadir tu cocina y prepararte algo para desayunar.
Jovanka -- ¿Y las flores?
Juan -- También me tomé el atrevimiento de
invadir tu jardín para traerte unas flores para que te acompañaran. Ahora, si
no te gustan, si no estás contenta …
Jovanka (sonriendo) – Tonto. (Se sienta en
la cama y toma la mano de Juan). Dime que no fué un sueño, dime que nada de lo
que pasó fue un engaño … dímelo.
Juan -- No fué un sueño ... no es un
engaño. Es la verdad, Te amo, Jovanka.
Comparten el ultimo beso del capítulo …
Telenovela-World: someone help me out...[USA, 2/18/05] Author:
grey (---) Date: 02-18-05 23:27 PST
okay, i'm getting way too obsessed with
this show i started watching right when sebastian got stabbed and i think i
have worked out most of the back story, but maybe someone could help me with
these:
1) who is
baldomero? paska's brother? the same one that used to be patriarca? that vanya
lives with? is this a relative of victoria or lover?when paska showed up for
his papers from victoria. what's up?
2) erendira
called dona victoria tia before she and sebastian hooked up. are they cousins?
wtf?
3)how did
drago engineer the takeover of the tribe i know he killed janko, but how did
salome end up with jonas? she was promised to him...but why did she marry him
abandon sebastian? and the one who said he killed sebastian? then never explain
why she abandoned him, to save his life.. who knows? i think she is really
unfair yeah she is being a martyr, but also hurting him and their kid...
okay, any help here people...
Re: your summary and a little
more...Author: Latin Passion (---) Date:
02-19-05 05:25 PST
I'll do the best I can here:
1) Baldomero is Mama Paska's brother and
also the 1/2 brother of Dona Victoria. Baldomero is the man who lives in the
boxcart and is providing Vanya with housing. Baldomero and his siblings are the
children of an Ex-Patriarca. When the father got exiled for having an affair
with Victoria's mother a gadji, Baldomero left with his father.The paper issue
basically was that Dona Victoria denied the whole thing and asked Mama Paska to
leave. She was asking for the letters and pictures that would incriminate Dona
Victoria as being half gitana. No one but Dona Victoria, Baldomero and Erendira
and her family know about Victoria being a half blood.
2) Yeah Erendira and Victoria are cousins,
but since Victoria is older out of respect she calls her tia.
3) Vanya knowing that Drago was power
hungry and was fiending to become Patriarca decided to denounce his role as
Patriarca and leave it to Drago, because he felt that he couldn't be Patriarca
if his own people had distrust in him. Salome when trying to flee from where
her and Sebastian were hiding out (a huge abandoned ship), decided to leave
through the jungle/forest. She was fleeing, because she got premonitions of
Sebastian being killed by Jonas. She saw a vision in which Jonas made a blood
oath to Santa Sara that he would kill the man who stole his wife/the woman he
was in love with. I say wife because during the wedding ceremony they (Jonas
and Salome) were halfway married by the Gypsy rite. The ritual wasn't finished
because thats when Sebastian and Claudio came in to claim their wives and
Sebastian runs away with Salome. Going back to Salome fleeing. When she was
running through the forest Rodrigo and a fisherman catch her. Jonas and Drago
are also part of the search team to get Salome back. When they found her they
kept her in a shed. Jonas and Sebastian were fighting in the river. When Jonas
underhandidly gets help from his father who helps in beating up Sebastian they
also bring him back to the shed. While there Jonas tells Salome if you wanna
see him alive you must abandon your love for him and be mine and return with me
to the tribe. Salome agrees in order to save Sebastian's life, but tells Jonas
he will have her, but he will never have here love. Drago promised Dona
Victoria Sebastian wouldn't be hurt, but out of his cynical pride stabs
Sebastian to claim the blood on his dagger as a symbolism of the blood of
Salome's purity that was supposed to have been given to Jonas. This in a way is
supposed to appease Jonas' pride.
I definately agree with you on your stance
on Salome being a martyr, but at the same time being selfish. I hold the same
belief with her mom being like that too. If you want you should read my post
labled "Somethings going to hit the fan". I seriously understand
love, but morally I still stand by what I believe as Jovanka being selfish. I
know a lot of my fellow foristas disagree and put the stance that Rafael did
the same to her with his wife. But still man you try to better yourself and not
stick to the same bloodline. They're basically reusing the whole thing of
acceptance. The same way Sebastian was mature to acept that Salome was his
sister from his father cheating on his mother. I guess they want Sashenka to do
the same thing. I still hold strong, because even Juan felt it was wrong as
pointed out in yesterdays episode. He was like what are we gonna tell Rafael.
She's still being selfish, but she wants people to understand her. Twenty two
years of living with a secret like that and then you're going to spring another
secret on your daughter when she gets back. "BTW Sashenka while you were
away from being so shocked by the news I was having a passionate night with your
uncle. I Love You". Seriously someone should try and see it from that
point of view well at least mine.Seriously if you had a kid with someone aren't
married, and then come back a couple of years later and sleep with his/her
brother/sister I don't know if its just me, but I find that'd be rather
distasteful. The fact of the matter is when they made that pact to get
Jovanka's love I think that was prior to Juan and Rafael having any knowledge
of Rafael and Jovanka having a child together.
Does anyone think that Jimena will do
something with Juan thus devastating Jovanka ? Its highly not likely, but I was
rooting for Rafael and well I just was, because he changed so much way before
he knew of having a daughter.
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USA, 2/21-25/05
Telenovela-World:
[USA, 2/23/04] REAL-TIME SPOILER SUMMARY - FOR JAV AND WCC Author: maritere (---)
Date: 02-23-05 19:36 PST
Ciao to all the WCC, and a special besito
to JAV, somewhere in Mid-America, who is already missed mucho!
Here we go with tonight's spoiler summary!
At the bar, Rodrigo and Juan struggle, Juan
is still trying to get the knife away from Ropuerco, who continues to taunt him
drunkenly.
Juan
manages to get a grip on him and leans him up against the counter, still trying
to make him let go of the knife, and Ofelia, anxious to help out, gives
Ropuerco a good golpe de gracia with a bottle from the bar. The bottle
shatters, but Ropuerco is out like a light.
At the camp, alone with Jonas, Drago
disparages his useless, worthless, dishonored son, who can't even keep a wife.
Jonas wants to know what he has to do to get back in his father's good graces.
Drago tells him to get Salome back - anyway he can - even if it means killing
Sebastian - to save what's left of his honor. Nobody respects a gitano whose
wife runs around and makes a fool of him! He won't accept a son like that!Jonas
storms off in search of Salome.
In Tijuana, Sebastian and Salome are about
to get smuggled into the US abroad a produce truck when Salome has one of her
visions and mutters, "Jonas don't do it!", going into trance.
Rafa waits for Sashenka at the hotel....and
waits...and waits.
At the house, Magda assures Vanya she'll be
fine at home alone, he needs to be with Milenka. Vanya instructs her to lock up
and be careful. Magda walks through the house after he leaves and finds an
angry Jonas hiding in the living room. He grabs her roughly and demands to know
where Salome is - and if she's with Sebastian. Why are they hiding her
whereabouts from him, he's her husband and has a right to know.
Out on her balcony, Vicky comments to
herself that the gitano blood in her has ruined her family - if only she could
change the past - look at what mess Sebastian is in, and Juan's a disgrace, all
because of those miserable gitanas, it must be something in her tainted blood,
this curse!
She goes
back into the house and finds Juan waiting for her. She tells to get out - he's
not welcome in her house. Juan refuses to leave - he wants to know if she had
anything to do with Fardi's disappeance.
Sebastian tries to calm Salome, who goes
into full trance, faints, and freaks out the poor truck driver, who refuses to
take them.
Sebastian
then argues with the truck driver, who won't take her anywhere in that
condition. Sebastian tries to revive her while stil arguing with the driver.
Finally Salome comes to and assures the driver she's well enough to go on.
Vicky denies having anything to do with the
baby's kidnapping -why would she do such a thing? She acidly comments that
Sebastian is riskig his marriage to chase the miserable gitana and the kid.
Juan insists that her hatred of the gypsies is such that he doesn't know how
far it goes and what it would make her do. Vicky wonders how he can be her son.
Juan insists that he loves his mother, but ...she is the only rich woman in
town, and Ropuerco is walking around with a big mouth and lots of money
suddenly.
She denies, denies, denies and then
denigrates her son - if he wasn't bewitched by that zorra gitana, he wouldn't
have left the church and damned himself - or accused his own mother of
something so low and vile .
Juan
explains again that "someone' got a lot of $ to do a "little
work" - and she's the only person who fits that description of the town's
richest woman.
Stubbornly and angrily, Jonas continues to
insist that he has the right to know where Salome is right now, and Magda tells
him off - good and proper - he should have been looking for his son, which is
what his "wife" is doing and adds that wherever Salome is, she's
better off without him and his degrading treatment. Jonas grabs her and Magda
calls his bluff - is he going to hit her? Jonas denies he'd ever hit a woman,
and sees that Magda is not the least afraid of him - in fact she tells him to
disappear. now it's her turn to be angry. Magda tells him off again - what kind
of man is he, he's not even capable of looking for his son, why is he so
hellbent on finding Salome instead of Fardi? Jonas insists that she knows
something about Salome that she's hiding - is she with Sebastian? Where did she
go?
At that
moment, Vanya comes back and demands to know what Jonas is doing, in his
daughter's house, and why is he threatening Magda?
Vicky dismisses Juan's suspicions - how
dare he suspect her?
Vicky
tries to guilt him, for getting involved with Jovanka...but he insists she tell
him the truth. Vicky calls him a Judas but Juan won't allow her to get away
with it - here the victim is Fardi, not her. He begs her to tel him where the
baby is.
Erendira has been listening to the entire
conversation from just outside the room, and curses Ropuerco for being a
big-mouth fool - but she tells herself, in any case, she's going to get even
with him.
Jonas, now much calmer, tells Vanya all he
wants is to find his wife. Vanya reminds him he just saved his life, and this
is the way he treats them? What's wrong with him? Jonas says it's a question of
honor - he has to get his wife back, he's sick of everyone putting him down and
questioning what he does with Salome. He leaves the house, and Magda sobs to
her grandfather - if Jonas is an example of the tribe today, what happened to
them, how did they get to this point? Vanya doesn't answer her directly - he
just reassures her that she's safe now.
Still at the border, Sebastian argues with
the truck driver, who is afraid that Salome will go into convulsions and cause
trouble with the migra. Sebastian insists they had a deal, and the driver
finally agrees to take them as far as Los Angeles. Before getting on the truck,
Salome tries to make Sebastian swear that he will stay away from her forever
once they are back in Mexico. Sebastian can't understand why she would want him
to do such a thing, but just then the driver tells them to get on the truck -
he's leaving.
Vicky and Juan continue to argue, she
refuses to listen to any more of his insults. If he's so sure that she's a
criminal, why doesn't he just call the cops and put his own mother in jail? She
blames that devil of Jovanka - that woman has ruined him! She again tells him
to leave, and when he won't budge, she leaves the room and consults with
Erendira - it's obvious she heard everything that was said - since Ropuerco
opened his big mouth, what can they do now? Erendira puts a knife in her purse
and says she's going hunting -she'll tell her later - AFTER she's solved their
problems and saved Vicky's hide in the process. Vicky seems to be worried that
her niece will make things worse, not better and warns her to be careful and
not to do anything dangerous. Erendira is not listening at all...she seems to
have her own little plan already made.
Rafa finally leaves the hotel, tired of
waiting for Sashenka to show up, and goes to the nightclub, which is closed
during the day and asks for Sashenka. The managers have no idea where she is
right now, but the night before she went off with someone...Rafa leaves,
dispirited.
Vicky demands to know just how Erendira is
going to solve their problem? Erendira says she's going to make it disappear -
to defend her dear tia and herself - Ropuerco's talking and he has to shut up.
Erendira assures her aunt she's just going to persuade Ropuerco to deny they
had anything to do with it.
Drago and the narco have settled their
differences and are discussing their next move - Drago is not happy about the
way that they invaded the camp and made him look bad in front of his tribe. The
narco reminds him that he wasn't thrilled about getting beat up by those two
gypsies Drago sent to free his son.
Drago
denies that he had anything to do with the two gypsies who beat them and freed
Jonas. They weren't acting on HIS orders! Nor are they any friends of his - in
fact, they're his enemies and they will pay for what they did, he swears. He
wants to keep working with the narcos and swears he's their buddy - but they
have to leave the tribe alone, he'll take care of those two, especially the one
called Vanya.
Sebastian and Salome arrive in LA - the
truck driver tells them where to get the bus, and suggests that in this city
Salome needs to change clothes, to blend in better, since gypsies are hated
here too.
The narco tells Drago that everything is
over, no grudges, there's money to be made and they'll start over, since the
busines is too lucrative to drop it and the gypsies are good cover for their
activities. But he wants those two "rebel" gypsies gone, he's got a
score to settle with them. Drago presses his advantage and tells him that Vanya
is a loose cannon and needs to be taken care of - and then there are the
Dominguez, who also need to be dealt with, since they've already gotten the
police involved once, they could endanger their nice little business. Drago
suggests that the narco eliminate Sebastian and Juan Dominguez, which will
eliminate a lot of problems - for everybody, while he'll take care of the two
gitanos, especially Vanya.
Sebastian and Salome get off the bus in
downtown LA, and when Sebastian tries to ask for directions, he's brushed off
crudely and rudely. Salome thinks it's because she's a gypsy - people usually
try to avoid them.
Escudero and Ofelia are in the office. He
is congratulating her on solving the Ropuerco problem when Juan walks in.
Ofelia asks Juan if he found out anything on what Ropuerco said - Juan tells
her he has his suspicions and asks her if she knows where Ropuerco is now ?
Ofelia replies hasn't seen him since Juan threw him out of the bar. Ofelia asks
if he asked his mother about the story Ropuerco told them? Juan admits he did,
but asks her not to talk about it with anyone. He goes off with Escudero.
Sebastian and Salome walk down a street,
looking for a house. Salome is convinced that the woman deceived them - the
house doesn't exist. Salome is defeated - she hasn't 'felt' her son since they
left Tijuana, they're never going to find him, she despairs. Sebastian, tired
and discouraged, just embraces her. Salome is ready to give up, and Sebastian
tries to give her hope - she has to focus, use her instincts to find Fardi.
They've gotten this far, they have to go on until they find Fardi. They will
find him! Salome takes hope from his words and they decide to go on.
Camila visits Magda and confesses that
things with Branko aren't working out. Magda isn't surprised - she thinks
Branko's just a seducer, and Mario was much more worthy as a husband and
father. Camila regretfully sighs, she knows she blew it with Mario. Magda
presses her to seek Mario and put things right. He still loves her - Camila
wishes she could, but things aren't so easy. Just then, Branko strolls in.
Ropuerco walks into Baldomero's bar and
demands a drink, which Baldomero refuses to serve him. Ropuerco turns around
and sees Milenka and Nina...and comments that the service has improved..now
Baldomero has nice girls available. Milenka looks at him with fear.
Baldomero tries to chase Ropuerco out of
the bar, but he advances on Milenka, who tries to pull a knife on him and tells
him she's not afraid of him...he tosses Baldomero out of the boxcar and grabs
Milenka, they struggle, she still has the knife in her hand and keeps
threatening to kill him this time, if he tries to hurt her, but she can't get
it between his ribs as she obviously would like to.
Suddenly Baldomero returns with an old
shotgun and tells him to leave or he'll shoot. Ropuerco, still mocking Milenka,
leaves, promising Milenka they'll see each other again. Milenka and Baldomero
are relieved to be free of him, and Milkenka thanks him for being so brave and
saving her life.
Sebastian finds out they're on the right
street, but in the wrong section of town. They go off, finally in the right
direction.
Branko demands that Magda mind her own
business - and tries to take Camila away, reminding his "wife" that
she doesn't belong with Magda, but with him - at home. Camila hesitates, and
then kisses Magda goodbye and goes to the door. Branko,still angry, gives Magda
a nasty gypsy chin flick and follows Camila out, leaving Magda staring after
them.
Juan and Escudero have finished going
through Ropuerco's house - where Juan has found a wad of money. How did
Ropuerco, that lazy no-good, get his hands on so much money, they wonder.
Escudero asks if Juan really thinks that this money is a payoff for stealing
the little boy? Juan definitely thinks it was, but they have no other proof.
They have to keep searching.
Rafa is back at the hotel, and it's night
already, still no sign of Sashenka. The clerk tells him Sashenka hasn't been
back all day, and he dejectedly goes to sit in the lobby, unaware that Jovanka
entered the hotel and was watching him talk to the clerk, while having a
flashback of her last conversation with Juan, when he told her her understood
why she had to go, and that he loved her. Jovanka also remembers what she told
him - that she loved him only. Her reverie is interrupted when Rafa turns
around and sees her - he's obviously delighted to see her there,but doesn't
dare to fully embrace her, he just smiles from ear to ear and tell sher that
he's so happy she came. She just looks at him sadly, without saying anything,
and he asks, worried, if she's alright. Jovanka just stares up at him.
That same night, Sebastian and Salome
finish their walk through the streets of LA by knocking on a door. Sebastian
asks for a Juana Vargas. The thugs who answered the door deny anyone with that
name lives there - and then drag Sebastian inside and threaten him with a gun
as Salome screams. They want to know who sent him there.
end
episode.
Promo:
picture of a hand holding a gun - and Mr. VO says "Death is
inevitable...."
ciao for now,
and JAV, no exageras con este BBQ, vale?
mt
Telenovela-World: [USA, 2/24/04]
REAL-TIME SPOILER SUMMARY FOR JAV & WCC Author: maritere (---)
Date: 02-24-05 19:35 PST
The thug sticks a gun under Sebastian's
chin and demands to know what he wants with them. Sebastian explains they are
looking for a woman named Juana Vargas, which enrages the thug. He slams
Sebastian (and Salome, who was clinging to his back) out the door and wans them
not to come back.
At the hotel, Rafa is still thrilled to see
Jovanka...even when she obviously isn't thrilled to be there with him. He
explains what Sashenka has been doing and how he's been tracking her. The fact
that she's so hostile hasn't helped him to help her see reason. He's glad that
she's there - maybe she will listen to her mother.
Juan and Escudero are still in Ropuerco's
house, debating whether or not he had anything to do with Fardi's kidnapping.
They need proof! In a Vulcan blood moment, Juan morphs into SuperSleuth Juan
and as he's speaking, just happens to find a picture of Fardi in Ropuerco's
living room. Ok, no more questions. Time for action! Juan instructs Escudero to
round up some men and they'll meet later at Ofelia's bar and from there, go
after Ropuerco to find out what he did with the baby.
Erendira is leading Ropuerco under the
arches when Juan and Escudero pass by and they manage to hide in doorways in
the shadows and remain unseen by the two men, who are deep in conversation.
Erendira
informs him that Juan suspects that he was the one who stole the baby.
Ropuerco, confused, now wants to know what to do...Erendira has a plan, and
tells him to come with her..she's explain it all to him, he's got nothing to
worry about.
Rafa recounts to Jovanka how Sashenka found
out he was tracking her - after the brawl in the nightclub, which he paints in
lurid terms. Jovanka is horrified to hear what her daughter has been doing. She
must talk to her. Rafa warns her that Sashenka won't listen to reason. But he's
found out something she has to know about where she's working - they take teens
and girls from the provinces, contract them as dancers and waitresses, and then
force them to become prostitutes. Jovanka is even more aghast at this bit of
information, but Rafa kises her hands and assures her that together,they will
save her from this fate. Jovanka looks long at Rafa in wordless reply.
Milenka and Baldomero are still getting
over the shock of Ropuerco's attack. She congratulates him on his courage,
while he tells her to finally tell Vanya the whole story, but Milenka does't
want to - at that moment Vanya comes in, and inquires as to what Milenka needs
to tell him? Before Milenka can start snivelling something, Baldomero traps her
neatly by telling Vanya that Milenka has something to tell him about what happened
to her some years ago.
Juan, back in his rented room, is praying
before his crucifix when someone sneaks up on him and puts a gun to his head.
Rafa and Jovanka are at the nightclub, when
a waitress tells them that Sashenka isn't working there tonight. Sounding a
little jealous, she informs them that their daughter is off on a special job
for a special client - she's flying high now, the blonde! Jovanka gets angry
and demands to know more, but the waitress doesn't want to say anything else -
she'll lose her job.
Sashenka's new man has taken her to his
house - but there's nobody home, and Sashenka wants to know, where's the party?
The thug holding a gun to Juan's head is a
nervous young man, sent by the narcos - Juan prays out loud to God that the thug
realizes what kind of sin he's committing as the man continues to hold the gun,
but it's clear Juan's words are having an effect.
Back at the nightclub the waitress answers
that she doesn't know where the girl is now, and doesn't want to say anything
that could get her in trouble. Jovanka gives the girl a good look and demands
her hand...and then reads her palm, and finds out the waitress is also a
mother, and gives her information that is so true the waitress gets scared. How
does she know? Jovanka laughs - she's a gypsy, can't she tell? Now Jovanka
appeals to the waitress' motherly instincts - and demands that she help her
find her daughter - she needs to know where she is.The waitress promises to
come back with the info, but as long as they never tell she was the one who
gave them the tip. She leaves Rafa and Jovanka waiting.
Ropuerco is expressing his thanks to
Erendira for saving him from being discovere d by Juan...and since they are in
a hotel room somewhere, he decides to thank her in another way, too, which is
fine with Erendira. They start getting hot and heavy on the bed. Erendira takes
a knife out of the sheath on her thigh as Ropuerco slobbers over her. As he
embraces her, she sticks the knife into his back, hard and deep, and he is
stunned and dazed, flopping back on the bed, asking why she did this to him.
She is shocked to find blood on her dress and freaks out, leaving him agonizing
on the floor as she tries to wipe the blood off her dress.
Sashenka is getting suspicious - there's no
party, and where is the mother he said lived with him? Ricardo (the pig) admits
he told some little white lies to get her to go to his house..but she'll
forgive hm, since they've both lonely people, they can keep each other company,
can't they? His intentions are obvious, and Sashenka is getting aggravated and
wants to leave. He tells her she's free to go, but when she tries to leave, he
tells her she can take a bath there and try on the pretty dress he bought for
her. He tells her she has to hurry up - the people will be arriving soon, and
of course she take her bath in total privacy, nobody (least of all him) will
bother her, of course!
Milenka, sobbing, has finally confessed the
truth to Vanya about how Ropuerco abused and raped her years ago. That's why she
didn't want to tell him, because she was afraid he would try to avenge her
honor and that Ropuerco would kill him. She begs his forgiveness, and Vanya
tells her she is not to blame, she was a victim, and he's the one who should be
dead. Vanya gets up and tells Milenka he's going to kill Ropuerco.
Rafa and Jovanka are still waiting for the
waitress to return. She finally comes back with a paper with the address on it.
Jovanka assures her that they will keep her secret, and Rafa thanks her.
Erendira, still with the knife in her hand,
is now calm again as she watches Ropuerco expire. Poor guy - she liked being
with him, but she only makes love to her husband, she tells him.. She puts the
knife into him again, into his chest this time, but he's now dead and past
caring. Again, she sees the blood on her hands and freaks out.
Juan is trying to persuade his assailant
not to wreck his life by killing him. If he wants he can turn around, says the
assasin - he has no problems shooting him from the front. Juan tells him to
think carefully - he might die, but the assasin with have to live with this sin
on his soul. Is it worth it?
Erendira obsessively scrubs the blood off
her hands and sobs that no one and nothing will separate her and Sebastian.They
have to love each other always, for their child, she tells her crazed
reflection in the mirror over the sink, while the dead Ropuerco on the floor
can't hear anything anymore.
The assailant is now face to face with
Juan, gun between them. How much will they pay him to kill him? Is it worth
ruining his life to become a professsional killer? Isn't he his first victim?
He knows he's not a murderer... Juan implores him to think it over - think of
his family, he's so young, he shouldn't convert himself into an animal just for
money.No money is worth losing your soul.
Juan
keeps reassuring him that he is not a killer, and hearing this,over and over in
Juan's calm, rational tones, the man loses his nerve and lets Juan get the gun.
At the bar, Escudero is updating Claudio,
Ofelia, Alfredo and others on Juan's discovery. Where's Juan? is what everyone
wants to know. They need him there to get started on the hunt for Ropuerco.
Before Escudero can reply, Vanya interrupts into the bar and loudly demands to
know where Ropuerco is.....Alfredo tries to reassure him that they are there
precisely to organize the hunt for him, and they will find his grandson. Vanya
doesn't understand, until Alfredo updates Vanya on what Juan discovered. Didn't
he know already - isn't that why he's there? asks Alfredo. Vanya, enraged, at
this further outrage doesn't have time for an explanation the details - he
announces wth a mighty roar to all the bar patrons that this pig has done
incredible harm to his family, and he swears vehemently, by God and Santa Sara,
he will kill Ropuerco like a dog!
Juan is now calming his would-be assasin
with tea and confession. The man is contrite, worried about his family, and
himself - since he didn't kill Juan they'll kill him. He admits it was the
narcos that sent him.
Juan
takes all the money he has in a drawer - it's not much, but it will get him and
his family away, to another state where they can start over.
The man can't believe that his ex-victim is
being so generous to his ex-killer....Juan explains that these things happen,
that young men like him are driven to such degradation and it's everyone's
fault, because society tolerates this indignity. But no more - he's going to do
something about it! He advises his new friend to go far away and take care of
his family somewhere where he'll be safe from the narcos.
In LA, the two thugs are walking out of
their building, assuring each other that the strangers won't dare come back.
Salome and Sebastian sneak back into the building as they walk down the street.
Salome picks the lock and they begin to search the apartment.
At the camp, Drago is dressing down Laszlo
- the stupid idea of rescuing Jonas put the entire tribe at risk. And what was
he doing, consorting with their notorious enemy, Vanya? Laszlo finally sobs
that Drago's the one who's ruined the tribe, with all his dirty dealings. Drago
grabs him by the shirtfront and threatens him - Laszlo has to keep quiet and
cooperate if he wants to help Drago save the situation. After all , those
gambling debts are not his - but Lazlo's - and that's where all the trouble
comes from, those debts whose IOUs Drago holds. If he talks, things will go
even worse.
Sebastian instructs Salome to look for
papers, pictures, anything that could be a clue. A little boy comes in - and
demands to know what they're doing. He tells Salome his name, as Sebastian
keeps searching, she explains they don't want to hurt him, they're just looking
for her son. The boy informs her that he's from Tijuana, living proof that
they've stumbled onto a child smuggling ring.
Back at the house, Erendira, upset in her
bloody dress, which she tries to cover to avoid anyone seeing the stains,
marches through the house with Vicky hot on her heels. Vicky wants to know what
she did with Ropuerco, and why there's blood on her dress. Before she locks
herself in the bathroom Erendira just mutters that she did what she had to do
to keep Sebastian and her marriage together, and keep them from finding out
what they did with the brat. Although Vicky pleads, she won't let her in, all
her interest is in taking a shower and getting the blood off herself.
Sebastian
finds a notebook that has info on a network of child smugglers. He and Salome
are shocked. Wanting to be helpful and worried that the thugs will come back
the little boy shows them where the thugs keep pictures of children, but urges
them to leave before the baddies come back.
Sashenka has taken her bath and is now
dressed up, putting on lipstick before the bathroom mirror. She remembers the
day she was expelled from the tribe.... Drago's insults, Jovanka's explanation
of her parentage and the secret she kept from her, and Jonas' refusal to stand
up for her and keep her for himself when Drago wanted to marry her. Recalling
Jonas' words that what happened between them was merely an act satifying carnal
needs, she tosses the makeup at the mirror, and stares at her shattered
refection, telling herself she has no one...no one.
Vicky waits in the bedroom for Erendira who
exits the bathroom in a towel. Vicky is not pleased with what she did, angrily
telling her that Juan already suspects she had something to do with Ropuerco's
kidnapping of Fardi. What if they find out who was behind the kidnapping?
Erenedira assures her that no one saw her, and no one will connect her with the
deed...as long as they both stick to the same story, nobody can suspect them.
At the apartment, Salome starts to panic -
they have to leave, now..right now!!!!.Sebastian insists they have to search
everywhere for clues to where her son is and keeps going through documents.
Meanwhile, outside, the thugs are
approaching their building again after their coffee break, chatting among
themselves about their visitors.They're not pleased that Juana Vargas' name was
mentioned, and hope those two are gone for good. They don't want to be
reported.
Inside, now totally panicked, Salome
insists agan they must leave, as the thugs approach and Sebastian is left
literally up against the wall.
end
episode...
Promo:
Sashenka's host is joined by 3 other goons - he grabs her and tells her that if
she doesn't want to play nice with him, they'll play nasty, as the 3 goons
behind him admire her spirit, Sashenka starts to scream....
ciao for
now!
mt
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USA, 2/28/05 -
3/4/05
Telenovela-World: ***Dialogue/Diálogo -- Juan & Jovanka (Friday,
3/4)*** Author: Tuly (---)
Date: 03-05-05 10:20 PST
Juan walks into the church as a mere
parishioner for the first time ... as he walks toward the altar, he looks
around as if seeing everything with new eyes. Once in front of the altar, he
kneels, crosses himself, and ...
Juan – Help me, Lord. Give me the courage
and strength to walk away from her. It’s ironic, isn’t it? I asked You for the
same thing many times in order to put distance between You and me and pursue my
path toward love and now ...
(Jovanka comes in) – What’s wrong, Juan?
Why did you leave my house like that, so abruptly, without talking to me?
Juan – I’m sorry, Jovanka, but I would
prefer that we don’t talk here in church.
Jovanka – If I haven’t talked to Rafael yet
it’s because I was waiting until ...
Juan – No, Rafael doesn’t need to know what
happened between us. He doesn’t ever need to know.
Jovanka (getting angry) – What are you
saying, Juan? I don’t understand!
Juan – It’s very clear, Jovanka. I don’t
want Rafael to know what happened between us.
Jovanka (incredulous) – "What
happened?" You’re talking about our love as if it had been a stumble, a
mistake of the moment, an accident! How can you talk that way, Juan?
Juan – Lower your voice, please ... you’re
in a church.
Jovanka -- NO!
Juan – I’m sorry, Jovanka, I’m trying to be
honest with you.
Jovanka – Before I left to find Rafael in the
capital, we agreed that we would be honest with him, that we would tell him the
truth.
Juan – And it’s because of that that I
don’t want you to say anything ... because that’s the truth.
Jovanka – What?
Juan – That there’s nothing between us.
Jovanka – We said that we would never part
again, Juan.
Juan – I’m sorry, I’m sorry, but I think we
made a mistake.
Jovanka – I ... DIDN’T ... MAKE ... A ...
MISTAKE!!
Juan – I made a mistake. I’m sorry, it was
me that made the mistake ... I’m sorry.
Jovanka – We said we wouldn’t hide any more
... and look at you! Look at you trying to find a hole in which to bury our
love!
Juan – Don’t make this more difficult,
Jovanka. I already said I made a mistake.
Jovanka – And I told you that I didn’t make
a mistake! And I know I didn’t make a mistake because I’m willing to yell
inside this church or outside of it that you are the man I love and that I will
love for the rest of my life, Juan!
Juan – I have doubts, Jovanka. We both have
a life, you have a daughter with Rafael ...
Jovanka – Three ... I have three daughters!
And don’t bring Rafael into this because there’s nothing between us!
Juan – How can I leave Rafael out of this?
He’s the father of your daughter! I feel guilty coming between you!
Jovanka (hitting Juan on the chest as a
result of frustration) – SHUT UP ... SHUT UP ... SHUT UP!!
Juan – If hitting me makes you feel good
and makes you see that nothing exists between us, then hit me, Jovanka. I don’t
have a problem with that.
Jovanka – Bastard! How dare you talk to me
that way? Do you think that what I once felt for your brother is the same thing
that I now feel for you?
Juan – You’re a family, Jovanka ... can’t
you see? You and he have a daughter together!
Jovanka – Shut up ... I can’t take it! I can’t
believe it! If your doubts, insecurities or jealousy have grown to the point of
thinking this way, then we’ve lost it all, Juan. And if you’re doing this on
purpose so that I will love your brother and not you, then that’s even worse
... it’s all lost! Because I only love one man ... only one, Juan!
********************ESPAÑOL********************
Juan entra a su iglesia como feligrés por
primera vez ... mientras se dirige hacia el altar, va mirando el lugar como con
nuevos ojos. Una vez frente al altar, se arrodilla, se persigna y ...
Juan – Señor ayúdame. Dame el valor y la
fuerza para alejarme de ella. ¿Es irónico, verdad? Tantas veces te pedí lo
mismo para alejarme de tí y seguir mi rumbo hacia el amor y ahora ...
(Llega Jovanka) -- ¿Qué pasa, Juan? ¿Por
qué te fuiste así de la casa, con esa frialdad, sin hablar conmigo?
Juan – Perdón, Jovanka, pero prefiero que
no hablemos aquí en la iglesia.
Jovanka – Si no he hablado todavía con
Rafael es porque estaba esperando a ...
Juan – No, Rafael no tiene que saber lo que
sucedió entre nosotros. No tiene que saberlo nunca.
Jovanka (enojándose) -- ¿Qué estás
diciendo, Juan? ¡No entiendo nada!
Juan – Es muy claro, Jovanka. No quiero que
Rafael sepa lo que pasó entre nosotros.
Jovanka (incrédula) -- "¿Lo que
pasó?" ¡Hablas de nuestro amor como si hubiera sido un tropezón, un deslíz
del momento, un accidente! ¿Cómo puedes hablar de esa forma, Juan?
Juan – Baja la voz, por favor ... estás en
una iglesia.
Jovanka -- ¡NO!
Juan – Lo siento, Jovanka, estoy tratando
de ser sincero contigo.
Jovanka – Antes de irme a buscar a Rafael
en la capital, quedamos en ser sinceros con él, que le diríamos toda la verdad.
Juan – Justamente por eso no quiero que le
digas nada porque ... porque la verdad es esa.
Jovanka -- ¿Qué?
Juan – Que no hay nada entre nosotros.
Jovanka – Dijimos que no nos íbamos a
separar nunca más, Juan.
Juan – Lo siento, lo siento, pero creo que
nos equivocamos.
Jovanka – ¡¡YO ... NO ... ME ...
EQUIVOQUÉ!!
Juan – Yo me equivoqué. Lo siento, fuí yo
quien se equivocó ... lo siento.
Jovanka – Dijimos que ya no íbamos a
escondernos más ... ¡y mírate! ¡Mírate buscando un hueco donde enterrar nuestro
amor!
Juan – No hagas esto más difícil, Jovanka.
Ya te dije que me equivoqué.
Jovanka – ¡Y yo te dije que no me
equivoqué! ¡Y sé que no me equivoqué porque soy capáz de gritar dentro y fuera
de esta iglesia que eres el hombre que amo y que amaré por el resto de mi vida,
Juan!
Juan – Tengo dudas, Jovanka. Los dos tenemos
una vida hecha, tú tienes una hija con Rafael ...
Jovanka – ¡Tres ... tengo tres hijas! ¡Y no
metas a Rafael en esto que yo no tengo nada que ver con él!
Juan -- ¿Cómo no voy a meter a Rafael? ¡Es
el padre de tu hija! ¡Yo me siento culpable de meterme entre ustedes!
Jovanka (pegándole en el pecho a Juan de la
frustración que siente) -- ¡¡CALLATE ... CALLATE ... CALLATE!!
Juan – Si el pegarme te hace bien y te das
cuenta de que lo nuestro no existe, golpéame, Jovanka. Yo no tengo ningún
problema con eso.
Jovanka -- ¡Desgraciado! ¿Cómo te atreves a
hablarme así, eh? ¿Crees que lo que sentí por tu hermano es lo mismo que ahora
siento por tí?
Juan – Ustedes son una familia, Jovanka ...
¿no lo ves? ¡Tienes una hija con él!
Jovanka -- ¡Cállate ... no soporto esto!
¡No lo puedo creer! Si tus dudas, inseguridades o celos han llegado hasta el
punto de pensar así, pues lo perdimos todo, Juan. Y si haces esto a propósito
para que ame a tu hermano y no a tí, pues peor ... ¡todo está perdido! ¡Porque
yo solo amo a un hombre ... a uno, Juan!
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USA, 3/7-11/05
Telenovela-World: Here's a summary
[last 15 min of 3/10/05 episode]
Author: Tuly (---) Date: 03-10-05 13:15 PST
Victoria tells Eréndira that Pasca came by
to give her advice: that she should accept Sashenka as her grand-daughter.
Eréndira cynically replies that it's so sweet that her sister's coming to give
her advice ... Victoria tells her she doesn't ever want her to repeat that the
Gypsy is her sister. Eréndira offers to get rid of Pasca for her; Victoria can
only stare back.
At Ofelia's bar, Camila tells Branco that
their relationship it's over; she's realized she doesn't love him, she just
desired him. Branco reminds her that as soon as he found out about their child,
he came running from the capital and he's ready to spend the rest of his life
with them ... isn't that enough? Camila responds that she thinks they're only
an obligation to him; that Branco is not in love either. Branco grabs Camila's
arm and orders her to get Jesús and their stuff ... they're leaving. Camila
says she's not going anywhere and asks him to leave. Mario comes in and tells
Branco to leave Camila alone.
Jovanka tells Seb that she doesn't know
where Salomé went, that she must have gone by the fishery to thank him for
everything he's done and to say goodbye. A puzzled Seb asks what's going on and
Jovanka explains that Jonás let Salomé go; they're now separated and she's
free. Seb smiles widely, tells Jovanka that he needs to see her and talk to
her, to please tell him where she is ... Jovanka once again tells him that she
doesn't know.
Previews: Seb visits Jonás and says he has
an urgent matter to discuss with him. Jovanka tells Juan that "All I want
to do is be imprisoned with you in that wonderful place that is our love"
-- they kiss as Rafael looks on from the doorway of his room.
RE: Rafael said something key last night
[USA, 3/10/05] Author: Tuly (---) Date:
03-11-05 04:06 PST
When he was with Ofe, he told her that
couldn't care less at this point whether Juan and Jovanka ended up together, he
was just upset because Juan and Jovanka had made a big fool out of him.
Obviously, his pride is what is hurt the most.
Telenovela-World: **Dialogue/Diálogo - Rafael, Juan &
Sashenka** [USA, 3/11/05] Author: Tuly (---)
Date: 03-11-05 21:00 PST
Juan – Can we talk? I know you have all the
reasons in the world not to listen to me, but I ask you as my brother … please
listen to me, Rafael.
Rafael – If it’s about what happened last
night, I’d rather you not say a word, Juan.
Juan – It’s not only about last night,
Rafael. It’s about all of the things that for one reason or another we have
kept hidden.
Rafael – That “we” have kept hidden, little
brother? The only person here that hasn’t been upfront is you, Juan.
Juan – Rafael, my feelings toward Jovanka
have never been a secret.
Rafael – You made me believe that there was
nothing between you anymore, Juan. I asked you to please stay away from her.
Juan, you know very well what Jovanka meant to me. You gave me lots of signs
that you wouldn’t keep insisting.
Juan – Rafael, I’ve been living a great
torment … and I’m not telling you this so you can feel sorry for me, but so you
can try to understand what’s happening to me. I’ve tried to stay away from
Jovanka, I’ve really tried. You have to believe me, please.
Rafael – Juan, don’t treat me as if I were
dumb because I’m not. I saw you with my own eyes, Juan. And then you came out
with that little phrase that “it’s not what you’re thinking, brother.” What’s
the matter, Juan? Don’t you even have the courage to defend your love for her?
Juan, Juan … if you’re going to play the victim with me, you better get out of
here and leave me in peace.
Juan – Rafael, I’m trying to explain how
confused I am.
Rafael – Well then, start by accepting
things as they are, but don’t sugarcoat them for me because I don’t need that.
Juan – You’re right. It would be immensely
cowardly of me not to admit to everything.
Sashenka (comes in and gets upset at seeing
Juan) – Don’t you get tired of hurting people, gayó? What do you want? To give
my father a wound even worse than the knife wound he’s already got?
Rafael – Sashenka, please calm down.
Sashenka – No, Dad. This man is your
brother. And a brother doesn’t do what he did to you.
(Juan gets up and leaves)
Rafael – You shouldn’t have talked to Juan
in that tone, Sashenka.
Sashenka – Dad, he’s your brother, he betrayed
you, just like he betrayed his church.
Rafael – Look, Sashenka … I’m putting forth
my best effort and I want you to try also. I’m trying to understand him; this
is not easy on him.
Sashenka – Oh Dad, you’re too nice.
Rafael – Sashenka, that’s just it. It’s not
about good guys and bad guys. It’s about three human beings that have lacked
love in their lives for a long time.
Sashenka – But the love that has to exist
now is between my mother and you, you’re my father.
Rafael – Look … I’ve moved heaven and earth
to get your mother to love me again, but it’s not that easy. Love is that way …
love is born, it dies, sometimes it comes back, then it leaves again. The only
love that prevails and survives is love for those of our own blood.
********************ESPAÑOL********************
Juan – ¿Podemos hablar? Sé que tienes todas
las razones del mundo para no escucharme, pero te lo pido como mi hermano …
escúchame por favor, Rafael.
Rafael – Si es acerca de lo que pasó
anoche, prefiero que no digas una palabra, Juan.
Juan – No es solamente lo de anoche,
Rafael. Es sobre todas las cosas que por una u otra razón hemos callado.
Rafael -- ¿Hemos callado, hermanito? Aquí
el único que no ha hablado de frente eres tú, Juan.
Juan – Rafael, nunca ha sido un secreto de
cuales son mis sentimientos hacia Jovanka.
Rafael – Me hiciste creer que ya no había
nada entre ustedos dos, Juan. Te pedí de favor que te alejaras de ella. Juan,
tú sabes perfectamente lo que Jovanka significaba para mí. Me diste muchas
señales de que no ibas a seguir insistiendo.
Juan – Rafael, he vivido un tormento muy
grande … y no te lo digo para que me compadezcas, sino para que trates de
comprender lo que me está pasando. He intentado de alejarme de Jovanka,
realmente lo he intentando. Tienes que creerme, por favor.
Rafael – Juan, no me trates como si fuera
un imbécil porque no lo soy. Los ví con mis propios ojos, Juan. Y después me
saliste con la estúpida fracesita aquella de que “no es lo que tú piensas,
hermano.” ¿Qué te pasa, Juan? ¿Ni siquiera tienes el valor para defender tu
amor por ella? Juan, Juan …si vas a asumir la posición de víctima, mejor te vas
de aquí y me dejas en paz.
Juan – Rafael, estoy tratando de explicarte
lo confundido que estoy.
Rafael – Bueno, pues empieza por asumir las
cosas como son, pero no me dores la píldora porque no lo necesito.
Juan – Tienes razón. Sería una inmensa
cobardía de mi parte no admitir las cosas.
Sashenka (llega y se ofusca al ver a Juan)
-- ¿No te cansas de lastimar a la gente, gayó? ¿Qué es lo que quieres? ¿Meterle
a mi padre otra puñalada peor que la que ya tiene?
Rafael – Sashenka, por favor cálmate.
Sashenka – No, papá. Este hombre es tu
hermano. Un hermano no hace lo que él hizo contigo.
(Juan se levanta y se va)
Rafael – No debiste de hablarle así a Juan,
Sashenka.
Sashenka – Papá, él es tu hermano, te
traicionó, así como también traicionó a su iglesia.
Rafael – Mira, Sashenka … yo estoy haciendo
un gran esfuerzo y quiero que tú también lo hagas. Estoy tratando de
entenderlo; él no la está pasando nada fácil.
Sashenka – Ay, papá, es que eres demasiado
bueno.
Rafael – Sashenka, ese es el punto. No se
trata de buenos y malos. Solo se trata de tres seres humanos carentes de amor
desde hace mucho tiempo.
Sashenka – Pero el amor que debe de existir
ahora es entre mi madre y tú, que eres mi padre.
Rafael – Mira … yo he movido cielo y tierra para que tu madre vuelva a quererme, pero no es tan fácil. El amor es así … el amor nace, muere, a veces revive, vuelve a irse. El único amor que prevalece y sobrevive es el amor de la sangre.
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USA, 3/14-18/05
Telenovela-World: spoiler summary
for tonight's episode [USA, 3/15/05] /for B. and WCC,too Author: maritere (---) Date:
03-15-05 19:20 PST
Vanya goes to the camp, finds out from
Pasca that one of the tribe has the gift of channeling the dead, Vanya guesses
it's Salome, while Drago overhears the whole conversation and decides to deal
with Salome once and for all. Pasca goes off to the party and Vanya stays
behind, invitd to drink by Drago to their "old friendship" but Vanya
is anything but friendly...though Drago tries to get on his good side by
recalling "old times".
At the party, everybody's already there,
when Juan and Ximena make their grand entrance. Jovanka greets them and gives
them a courteous welcome.
Juan sees
Rafa there and takes refuge in the kitchen with Ximena, talking about how hard
it is to deal with Rafa's illness, the situation with Joivanka, the woman he
loves, is just tearing him apart, because at his age, he doesn't have the
personal experience to deal with such a situation. Ximena advises him that if
he can't find the courage to give up Jovanka to leave the way clear for Rafa,
he needs to do something totally terrible, to make Jovanka despise him forever.
Juan of course, can't possibly think of anything....
Alfredo makes a nice speech during the
peticion de mano, everybody's having fun dancing. The snacks are gone, so
Jovanka and Sashenka go to the kitchen to get more food. Ximena sees them
coming and grabs Juan in a clinch, to the gitanas' horror and astonishment.
Juan continues kissing Ximena (or more accurately, letting himself be kissed).
Then Ximena defiantly begs Jovaka's pardon for their behavior in her house.
Jovanka doesn't listen to her, she wants to hear what this was all about from
Juan. Juan gives her the lamest, stupidest excuse on the planet- they just
couldn't control themselves, he's sorry for disrespecting her
house....(meanwhile smoke is coming out of Sashenka's ears and her eyes are
shooting laser daggers at Juan). She tells Juan off again for being a traitor,
and Jovanka finally hauls her out of there and tries to reason with her, but
Sashenka's too angry to listen. Jovanka doesn't want Magda's party spoiled, and
orders the Shrew to shut up (another exercise in futility).
Sashenka
tells Rafa, who confronts Juan and accuses him of all manner of base things,
while Juan refuses to fight with him and finally leaves with Ximena.
Jovanka
thanks Rafa, who swears that while he's around, no one will disrespect his
friend Jovanka, mother of his daughter. Jovank is moved and caresses his cheek,
calling him a loco maravilloso. Rafa takes advantage and throws her a few
soulful looks while he kisses her hand.
Meanwhile,
Drago and Vanya are still conversing by the campfire: turns out Vanya saved his
sorry hide once when they were young. Drago admits he used to admire Vanya; but
when he became Patriarca, Drago became his servant instead of his friend. Drago
admits that destiny fixed that by making Vanya an exiled gypsy and him
Patriarca; Vanya admits it only happened because Drago knew how to capitalize
on his errors of judgement - Drago admits that his jealousy was a very bad
advisor, and goes on to tell how easy it was to exploit Yanko's naivete....but
despite Vanya's demands, he refuses to admit he killed Yanko.
Sebastian finds out from Escudero that
Salome left the pesquera in tears after talking to Erendira; he goes home to
question her in front of Vicky, but she refuses to tell him what she said to
Salome, playing the victim. When Sebastian isn't moved by her entreaties, she
gets defiant and tells him he will never be free of her, because they will be
married forever. Sebas throws up his hands and leaves the room, with Vicky
eavesdropping outside.
The last scene is back at the camp; Vanya
leaves Drago, who promises that it ain't over ....yet!
That's
all I can remember...if I missed something important, someone please add it!
ciao
mt
Re: Can someone tell me what happend
on todays episode [USA, 3/15/05] I
missed it Author: Marisa (---) Date:
03-15-05 19:25 PST
Sebastian had word's with Erendria about
what she was doing talking to Salome in his office. Previews show Erendira
falling off a horse tomorrow..perhaps this is how they will find out that she
is not pregnant. Most of the show ceneered around the engagement party at
Jovanka's house. Magda looked beautiful...nice scene by both set of pareent's
regarding merging of the cultures...gayo and gitanas. Juan is an idiot...Jimena
is making out with Juan in Jovanka's kitchen...Jovanka keeps her cool because
she doesn't want to ruin the party. Sashenka has word's with Juan who walk's
out with Jimena...people start to talk!!!! she was great tonight. Raphael also
has word's with his brother calling him a hyprocrite. Vanya spent the evening
drinking wine with Drago. Not sure what that was all about
Telenovela-World:
Re: What happend on todays episode ??
[USA, 3/16/05] Author: Marisa (---) Date: 03-16-05 19:54 PST
It was a dissapointing show. Juan is acting
like a jerk with Jovanka. Jovanka came over to his apartment and it got ugly.
Ximena made it look like she spent the night which sent Jovanka into a tearful
scene. He is being tricked by Ximena or just plain stupid and immature. Great
acting by Dolores that saved the show...writer's ideas are poor with only five
day's to go.
Vanya mde no headway with the
tribe....Erendira is still deceiving Sebastian about the baby. Sashenka is
coming to the Dominguez mansion tomorrow to tell Sebastian the truth about
Fardi...everyone will head to Puerto Santo where danger lurk's. Drago is going
after Salome we believe.
Mario and Camila are getting close as a
couple but Bronco was lurking in the shadow's. I thought he had left town.
You missed nothing..tomorrow look's like
thing's are heating up!!!!
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USA, 3/21-23/05
LAST WEEK
Telenovela=World: Summary: Monday 3/21 for our travelers! Author: Robin N (laptop) (---) Date:
03-21-05 19:52 PST
At the pesquera, Sebas and Juan talk about
the relief they feel to have Drago taken care of, even if that’s difficult for
the gitanos. Juan has bad news for Sebas: he tells him about Rafa’s leukemia.
At Baldomero’s shack, Paska finds a gitano
hat and shirt for her brother in the laundry sack that was masquerading as Nina
and he tries it on. In waltzes Erendira and they wonder why she’s there. She
suggests that they ask their little sister. Who? She hands out the letters and
tells them to read them; they’ll find them very interesting. Erendira waltzes
out.
Sebas wonders if there’s hope for his
father but Juan tells Sebas that there’s still no cure for leukemia. Sebas
wonders if they should tell him now that Rafa’s so excited about Sashenka and
all. Juan agrees, that’s what he thought too when the doctor told him.
The narcos tell Drago they rescued him
because they still have a few pending problems to resolve, problems that are
his fault and he’s not going anywhere till he works them out.
Sebas is alone in the pesquera grieving for
his father when in waltzes Erendira. He wonders why she’s there as she’s not
supposed to leave the house because of her delicate health. And what about
Fardi? She tells him that Victoria won’t let her anywhere near him. The way she
phrased this leaves Sebas to worry briefly that this is a bad thing (as in,
bitter granny looking after his Fardi). She looks sweet and charming and
reassures him that Fardi’s well. Sebas tells her that he’s off to see his
father and she invites herself along.
Baldomero returns to the tribe and hands
the staff of the patriarca to Vanya. All cheer and clap. Branko begins to
dance. Jonas heads out but Vanya stops him and tells him to stay. He
appreciates how brave he was and even though Jonas made mistakes, particularly
with Salome, he’s recognized the error of his ways. Vanya tells him that the
tribe needs him.
At Jovanka’s house, Victoria is there with
Fardi (apparently rescued unscathed from the tub incident). Claudio and Magda
head out to see Vanya and in come Erendira and Sebas. He asks to see his father
and Erendira starts to apologize for having left the child with Victoria, when
Vicky steps forward with the boy in her arms and looks, indeed, victorious,
having saved Fardi and won this round. Erendira swallows her forked serpent’s
tongue. Sebas asks what his abuela is doing there and Jovanka tells him she
just arrived and was going to tell her that same thing just before he arrived.
Victoria tells them that the boy has to stay at Jovanka’s house where he
belongs. He belongs with his own people, the gitanos. She’s adamant that the
boy won’t enter her house again, much to Sebas’ shock and anger.
Vanya tries to convince Jonas to stay and
confront his problems, rather than run away and hide in shame. Jonas talks
about feeling very guilty for everything but Vanya tells him that his father is
responsible for his own actions. (In the background it looks like Mirko has
been taking dancing lessons from Branko). Vanya tells Jonas that he’s got to
learn to forgive himself and promises that he’s going to find a woman who truly
loves him. Jonas tells him that he’s found that woman but he doubts she’ll
forgive him.
Sebas asks his grandmother what happened to
her newfound compassion for his son. He tells her that if that’s how she feels,
they’ll find their own house but Erendira tells him she’ll talk to Victoria, he
should go talk to his father. He promises to never forgive her but Victoria
pointedly says that she’s doing this for the good of the child. Jovanka, before
leaving the room too, says that she agrees with Victoria in that Fardi belongs
in her house, not Vicky’s, but doesn’t think it’s their decisions but instead
their children’s -- Sebas and Salome. Alone, Erendira draws her claws and
declares war. Victoria tells her she won’t be her accomplice. Erendira wonders
what would happen if her son and grandson found out her involvement in the
kidnapping. She insinuates that Vicky must continue as she tells her. You’ll
have to kill me first, Vicky says. As you wish, purrs Erendira.
Rafa’s sleeping and Sebas wakes him up to
introduce him to has grandson. He says that Fardi is identical to Sebas when he
as a baby. Rafa asks if he was arguing with his abuela and Sebas tells him
about the arguement. Rafa tells him that it doesn’t matter how his abuela is;
the only thing that matters is to raise his son well. Sebas tells him that he
will, just as his father raised him. Rafa wonders at why his son is so
sentimental but Sebas just skirts this and talks about how he appreciates and
loves his father. Rafa tears up at this and jokes about how they’ll embarrass
Fardi, the grownup men crying like this.
Sashenka wonders at her mother’s concern
over Victoria’s behavior, especially as it’s not out of character. In rushes
Paska and Baldomero with the letters and they hand them to Jovanka.
Victoria turns on Erendira. She won’t let
anyone hurt that child. She tells Erendira that if she hadn’t rescued the child
he’d have drowned in the tub. Erendira mocks her and says that Victoria’s just
like her mother, and then turns really vicious (at least where Vicky’s
concerned). She throws V’s gitano heritage in her face and tells Vicky that her
father was right, that she doesn’t have the strength of the Lamberts, her blood
is rotten.
In come Jovanka, Sashenka, Paska and
Baldomero and Jovanka sends Sashenka for Rafa and Sebas to hear what is about
to be said. Paska says that she and her brother have to come to talk to
Victoria and she starts to heads out the door but Erendira stops her, grabbing
her arm, and tells her that she should at least listen. Rafa and Sebas comes
downstairs and Rafa asks his mother what she wanted. She tells them she didn’t
want to speak with him at all, she’s trying to leave, but the miserable,
resentful gitanos insist on speaking to them. Paska steps forward: Why do you
hate us so, gayí or should I call you what you are? Baldomero tells them all
that it has to do with a long guarded secret. Paska reads the letter aloud
about the child carrying gitano blood. In walk Juan and Jimena to hear the news
too. Paska continues on reading her father’s letter: The little Victoria is a
gitanilla. Vicky grabs the letter and crumples it. Paska tells her that she’s
her sister, and gitano like they are. Victoria looks about in confused shame.
Rafa steps forward and asks Vicky if it’s
true. He asks who wrote the letter and Paska tells him that it was her father,
who had been expelled from the tribe for falling in love with a gayí. Baldomero
fills in the rest of the story. Juan looks astounded and exclaims that this is
why they never met any of her family -- well until recently, he adds pointedly
looking at Erendira who pretends to look ashamed. Sebas notes that Erendira
should have known this secret and she turns all mealy-mouthed and says that
yes, she did but she was afraid of shaming her tía. Sebas proclaims angrily
that gitano blood is nothing to be ashamed of. This sends Vicky over the edge:
You don’t know what you’re talking about, she cries out. You don’t know what
it’s like to be shamed and treated like an animal. Shashenka says that she does
indeed know, too well, “abuela,” but Vicky says that Sashenka and Fardi are
byproducts of the curse she has lived under all her life. She angrily strides
from the house, unimpeded.
Magda and Claudio visit Vanya and they have
something to ask them. She asks if he thinks that they’ll have trouble because
she’s marrying a gayó? He reassures them that this will be something of the
past. Claudio promises that he’s deeply in love with his granddaughter and
he’ll do what he can to make her happy. Vanya tells them that he can see this
and speaks of how both sides have been victims and practitioners of abuse and
intolerance and Claudio and Magda are a beautiful example of how love conquers
all.
Rafa says that he understands all now, Juan
too. Sebas is stunned as well. Was it harder to keep the secret or pretend all
these years, he wonders. Jovanka says she understands Victoria’s feelings.
Baldomero explains that Victoria was right: they were all cursed as a result of
the absurd hatred that was the result of the affair between his father and
Victoria’s mother.
In come the cops with the eyewitness
(again, nobody knocking) and the eyewitness immediately recognizes Erendira and
calls out. Sebas asks what’s going on and the cop explains that Erendira was
the woman seen with Rodrigo the night that he was murdered. Erendira looks
psychotic. Tell them it’s not true, Sebas tells her. Erendira tries the Drago
tactic: Liars! She starts freaking out and a cop pulls his gun. She starts raving
and pulls what looks like a letter opener from her purse and says if they come
closer she’s kill herself. She says it’s all Sebas’ fault for falling in love
with that damned gitana and not her. He tries to talk her down off the
emotional ledge but there’s no doing so. No one can help me because I killed
Rodrigo, I did it to make you love me! She continues to incriminate herself,
babbling how she did it to get rid of that damned child and she wanted him to
kill the brat so that Salome would suffer. You were supposed to love me and not
that gitana! He tells her that Salome means nothing to him but she raves and
tells him to back off. He draws close and tells her to think of their child.
She moans, then laughs: did he really think she was pregnant? She looks at him
wildly and tells him that she’s really sterile. She can’t even give him a
child. She laughs and cries crazily. Why can she have a child and I can’t!
Meanwhile, Rafa’s sneaked up behind her and grabbed the knife and Erendira
collapses. The police grab her on either side and drag her out, shrieking and
hollering. Everyone looks on in horror. No wonder: it’s a full moon!
Later, Juan knocks on Victoria’s door and
tries to get her to open the door. Jimena tells him to leave. We see a
stonefaced Victoria sitting in her chair, straightbacked, resolute and silent,
unlike Erendira who’s in a straight jacket and being manhandled onto a bed in
the manicomio and then strapped down onto a bed.
The next morning, Erendira’s father comes
in to the pesquera office to threaten Sebas “for what he’s done to his
daughter,” even though Sebas tries to tell him that Erendira confessed to
killing Rodrigo and kidnapping a child. Jimena pipes in and says that this
isn’t Sebas fault but Alberto tells her to butt out. No one asked you. Jimena
persists and goes on to say that Erendira’s always been selfish, the only
difference is that this time she went too far. Alberto tells her to leave that
she’s fired. Sebas tells him that he can’t fire anyone but Alberto waves his money
over their head. As long as they have his money, he can do is he pleases. As
soon as they repay him his money, they can do as they please and he hopes that
they rot in bankruptcy. Sebas proudly tells him that this is exactly what he’d
been thinking of doing. After Alberto leaves, he wonders if they will face
bankruptcy, and feels bad for Jimena without a job. I was going to quit anyhow
she tells him. Things happen for a reason, she tells him, and then Jimena
confesses that she knew that the pregnancy was false and she apologizes. He
tells her not to worry about it. I should have known better myself who I was
married to, he tells her. Sashenka enters and Jimena leaves. he asks how Fardi
is (fine) and she tells him she was worried about him.
Rafa tells Ofelia about the situation with
Rodrigo and Erendira and his mother. She asks if he’ll go talk to his mother
but he tells her he won’t because he doesn’t think that what she did was right.
Adela eavesdrops. Ofelia tries to talk sense into him. She notes Adela spying
and calls her on it.
Sashenka tells Sebas that she was thinking
about what happened all night long. That their grandmother has gitano blood
might be significant. She tells him to search for his sister as there are no
more impediments. He tells her that there are: he doesn’t know if he can
forgive Salome. She tries to convince him that this is indeed not true. Her
sister loves him and has suffered for trying to do what she thought was right.
She tells him not to repent letting her sister leave the way his father repents
letting her mother leave. She leaves him to think.
Victoria’s still sitting alone in her room
telling everyone to go away. Someone knocks but Victoria tells whoever it is to
go away. No one understands her: leave her alone. I won’t be humilated. In
walks Jovanka and stands in front of her. Victoria congratulates and and tells
her she must be enjoying her revenge.
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Victoria wants to know what Jovanka wants:
to laugh at her? Ironic that she’s as gitana as Jovanka is. She responds that
she didn’t come to mock Victoria, she understands her very well. She knows that
what Victoria did she did to protect her sons, and grandson, much the way her
mother tried to protect her. Victoria remembers bitterly that her mother had to
flee with those who knew her mocking her and her child. Jovanka sadly recalls
how she had to do the same with Sashenka so that the same wouldn’t happen to
her daughter. She tells her that she too made mistakes in the name of
protecting her family but Victoria doesn’t want her understanding or pity.
Jovanka tries to assure her that she does feel this sincerely. Victoria tells
her to leave; that her being a bastard daughter of a gitano doesn’t change how
she feels about Jovanka. Jovanka sadly agrees that the wounds haven’t been
healed by what’s happened, nor will they be, but it helps her understand why
Victoria did the things she did to her. Jovanka leaves and Victoria stares into
the mirror.
Adela comes home and shares the chisme
about Victoria being gitana. Alfredo and Claudio don’t believe her but she
persists and tells them about overhearing Rafael. Adela enjoys the news,
recalling how Victoria lorded (or would that be ladied?) over them all these
years... She can’t wait to tell the whole town.
Jovanka comes across Juan sitting alone in
the sala of the house on her way out and he asks what she’s doing there. She
tells him that she tried to talk to his mother but was unsuccessful, but she
understands Victoria. This surprises Juan, that the person who should most
resent Victoria offers her comprehension and support. He thanks her for it but
she tells him she doesn’t need his thanks, he’s the one who taught her to tear
down the doors and learn to forgive. She learned this forgiveness from him. He
modestly says that he can’t really take credit; this was from his days as a
priest and it’s just the words of God showing someone the way. This sets her
off and her eyes flash. So then you taught me nothing, you’re not responsible
for anything, as it pertains to me, if you deny this then I suppose you felt
nothing for me, never loved me. Why did you do this to me, make me another
person? Why did you make me believe in a love? Why did you convert me into a
fragile woman?... Only to break me? Juan starts to respond but (the dying)
Rafael and Sebastián enter the room, reminding Juan of his “plan,” and he
stops, then finishes his remarks by saying that he has nothing else different
to say to her; he said what he had to say to her already.
Sashenka tells Magdalena of her
conversation with Sebastián, how she told him that there were no more
impediments but he doesn’t want to hear anything further of Salome. Magdalena
believes that when Salome comes home this will change but Sashenka worries that
Salome will continue with her stupid idea that being around the people she
loves causes bad things to happen. Magdalena believes that Sebastián and Salome
deserve another chance. Jon enters, and Magdalena spots him, and he grins as
she makes herself and Fardi scarce, to leave him alone with Sashenka. Magdalena
tells him to come on in. He smiles at Fardi and tousles his hair. Sashenka
half-smiles.
Rafael tells Jovanka that had he known she
was going to talk to his mother, he’d have come with. She tells him that she
thought it would help but she was mistaken. Sebastián remarks that it was
unlikely that his abuela would respond. The cop comes in Sebastián asks about
Eréndira and he tells him she’s fine, they have her under doctor’s care, but
that’s not why he’s there; he’s got something else to do. According to
Eréndira, Sra. Victoria was involved in the kidnapping of Far and he’s come to
bring her in. Victoria has surfaced from her room and passes by to hear this
remark and everyone in the room is stunned by this development. Juan can’t
believe his ears and Sebastián remarks that there has to be some mistake,
however the cop repeats the information he received from Eréndira. He adds that
this isn’t all: according to the snitch, Victoria has been involved in other
serious crimes. Victoria speaks up and demands that he speak of her with
respect for her age, and for who she is in the town. The cop sighs and says
that this is the reason this is so hard for him. He finds it hard to believe
that she’d have had anything to do with the fire at the pesquera. Rafael asks
if this is true and the cop explains that Rodrigo and Drag were the ones who
carried it out, according to Eréndira and Drag himself could confirm this.
Victoria asks if he’s going to believe la loca, who’s in an asylum, over her --
I’m not like she is, she avows. I’m Victoria Lambert de Dominguez, and I’m owed
respect. Sebastián places his hands on her shoulders and she pushes them off.
Jon tells Sashenka that he’d thought about
leaving as it’s hit him like a ton of bricks, his having snitched on his father
and all, but her grandfather insisted that he should stay. He tells her that he
hasn’t decided yet, but he wants to know what she thinks about this. She
wonders why her opinion matters: she didn’t see what happened. He tells her
that what she thinks determines whether he stays or goes because the only
reason he’d want to stay is for her. He asks if he can have some hope that she’d
forgive him some day and let him prove to her that she’s the only woman he
wants to spend the rest of his days with. She looks stunned.
Rafael asks again if this all is true. He
always knew she was intolerant but this seems too far even for her. Juan (bobo!)
remarks that perhaps they shouldn’t after all put credence in the words of a
woman who’s mentally unstable but the cop tells them that the fact that it was
Victoria who arranged for Rodrigo’s release from prison is enough to have her
brought in. Jovanka asks Santa Sara to protect and forgive Victoria and Juan
asks Victoria if it’s all true. Victoria looks at him coldly and remarks that
they’re all acting as if they believe it’s true, so what purpose would it serve
her to deny it? Rafael pleads with her to tell her the truth, they’re her
family and they’ll support her, but she’ll have none of this. She comes over to
him and asks if that means she should beg forgiveness, get down on her knees,
she won’t do that. If time were turned back she’d do it all the same, just to
erase that stain of gitano blood. She asks permission to change her clothes
before appearing before a judge. Juan places a hand on her shoulder and she
tells him not to touch her -- no one should touch her! She leaves to go change
and all are stunned by this revelation.
In her room, she takes out some pearls and
lays them on a beautiful dress laid out on the bed and stands back to admire
the ensemble.
Downstairs, the family is sitting around,
collapsed into shocked silence. Sebastián paces and wonders what’s happening,
what kind of family they are that this could happen. He wants to know how God
could have forgotten them, to allow them to be sullied like this and Juan
speaks up asking him not to speak like that. They have to avoid falling into
desperation, he understands how easy it can be to do so, God’s just sent them
another “test.” This makes Sebastián mad because he’s fed up with God’s tests,
he’s already got the message that life’s unfair and you have to fight for
everything, that there are no dreams, only reality. Rafael tells his son that
things will change with time but Sebastián wonders how/when; is he supposed to
hate the woman he’s loved like his own mother. Is a better solution to send her
to jail for what she did to his son? He wonders how he can possibly look her in
the eyes but Jovanka gently remarks that he must take care not to let hate fill
him, it marks you. Juan agrees that Jovanka is right and that the only thing
can do now is forgive Victoria for her pride. She’s going to have to respond
for her crimes but they must still give her their love and respect for who she
is in their lives. Rafael doesn’t look like he’s willing to do this, nor does
Sebastián.
Vi dresses beautifully and as she finishes
she looks in the mirror and saying to her reflection, this is for you, mother.
Now I’m your reflection. For you I was humiliated in front of all, for you. I
won’t endure the same. She goes to her wardrobe and takes out a bundle of
letters and places them in a large china bowl and sets them on fire with a
match. She adds in the foto of her father and curses him for having ruined
their lives for nothing more than a stupidity called “love.” She says that the
two will now burn together in hell. She takes a silver perfume bottle from her dresser
and opens it. Perfume or poison? She places the bottle to her lips and drinks
it down, wiping her lips.
Jon tells Sa that he knows that he made a
lot of mistakes with her but she should know that the time they spent together
was the most precious time in his life. He holds her hand and she looks at him
dispassionately. Her love was everything and he loves her and he fell into his
own stupid well of jealousy. She’s his destiny and he hopes that she’ll forgive
him. He begs her and she draws her hands away from him and tells him that she
doesn’t know what to tell him. She’s still smarting from what happened and she
doesn’t know if she can forgive him. This news bums him out badly but he agrees
that she’s right and he understands her. She smiles sadly and tells him that it
doesn’t mean that she wants him to leave the tribe. He takes hope from this and
asks her if that means that not all is lost.
Juan enters Victoria’s room and she’s
sitting, still, on a straight-backed chair. He asks her what’s happening
because the comandante is waiting. Why, is he in a hurry to have her leave?
Juan tells her that he just wants her to not be alone. He asks her about the
charred remnants in the bowl -- what had she done? She distractedly tells him
that she freed them. He picks up the empty bottle and looks alarmed and asks
her what it was that she took. She tells him that it will take her far so that
they don’t have to feel any guilt that she’d be in jail, feeling neither pity
nor shame. He sniffs the liquid and realizes that it’s poison. He hollers for
Sebastián and Rafael to call a doctor. She stops him and tells him not to call
anyone, she wants to be alone. Doesn’t a woman have the right to die in peace.
He looks on at her, troubled.
The doctor has been called and he tells the
family assembled (Pasca and Baldomero are there too now) that he did all he
could but as he doesn’t know anything about the type of poison he can’t really
treat the symptoms and it seems like it is too late anyhow. They could take her
to the hospital but she might die on the way. Pasca asks to see the bottle and
she sniffs it and recognizes it. It’s a gitano poison against which there’s not
cure. Rafael and Sebastián look sad.
Juan begs his mother to confess, to not
leave them. She’s laying down on her bed, resolute. Confess? To whom? There’s
no priest close by. He bows his head in anguish. He tells her he can give her
the sacrament in emergencies and he pleads her not to die with so much hatred.
She tells him she’s got nothing left to do but die and tells him to leave her
and get out. Let me die in peace! Get out! If you won’t get out then stay
quiet! I want to see death when it comes in silence.
Sebastián asks Pasca what his grandmother
would be doing with a gitano poison. She tells him that her father prepared
such a poison and starts to speculate that perhaps her father and his
great-grandmother were planning to commit suicide... She can’t believe it. It’s
a fine line between life and death. Baldomero smells it too and recognizes it
as the poison that is used to punish a crime.
Juan begs his mother not to leave, not to
go without confession. Pasca enters carrying a cup of tea that will help her
pain. Victoria tells her she needs nothing but Pasca tells her not to fake it;
she knows the effect the poison has on the body. This is the poison that the
gitanos use to punish a crime, she asks Pasca, and adds, therefore I am paying
for my crimes and dying like a gitano. Pasca insists that she only wants to
help her. She plays the sister card and tells her she doesn’t want to see her
suffer. Victoria tosses the cup aside and this makes Pasca remark that she is a
gitana. She touches her sister’s hand and leaves.
Magdalena and Claudio are visiting Vanya
again and talking to Vinka and Lazlo. He’s thanking them for their support and
speaking of his plans to create a stronger, new tribe, one that is tolerant and
understanding. He tells them about how he spoke with Magdalena that morning how
she is going to form a family with a gayó and he asks Vinka and Lazlo to open
their hearts and support this union. Magdalena is a gitana and will continue to
be one for the rest of her life he tells them and Magdalena smiles and thanks
him. Vanya thanks her for supporting him when he was in trouble and Claudio
pipes up that for him it will be an honor to be by his granddaughter’s side...
Patriarca. Vanya repeats that the young couple is a beautiful example of love
and understanding and he asks that Santa Sara bless them.
Victoria is groaning in pain and Juan begs
her to repent. Don’t take this hate with you. She brushes him off and he makes
the sign of the cross over her and prays. She holds up her hand and it falls,
she’s dead. He looks at her and begins to weep. He caresses her hand and cries
over her body.
Sebastián and Rafael are seaside with a box
containing Victoria’s ashes which Sebastián drops in the sea. He wishes that
she rest in peace and Rafael adds that he hopes that’s possible, the same way
that they did when they found Fardi. Sebastián agrees and feels bad that Juan
couldn’t be with them. Rafael agrees that Juan’s changed a lot; he can’t
believe that he left without saying anything, let alone where he was going.
Escudero is riding a donkey led by a young
boy and he approaches a tent in the scruffy desert. It’s Juan’s and he’s
chopping wood. Escudero tells him he brought what Juan asked for and Juan asks
if he’s hungry. He notes Escudero’s new glasses and the little man remarks that
he’s trying to modernize himself a bit but his old frames were more comfortable.
He asks about everyone in town and Escudero tells him that everything’s much
the same, that Sebastián has decided to solve the problems at the pesquera once
and for all and that Rafael is all excited now that his daughter is getting
married. He spends all his time at Jovanka’s house. This makes Juan bow his
head and he adds that he’s happy for his brother. He confirms that no one knows
where he is and Escudero swears that this is the case. He thanks him, but
Escudero tells him he doesn’t understand why Juan’s here in this isolation.
Juan, says nothing, but hands some food to Escudero.
Rafael tells Sebastián that Juan had told
him that he’d planned to leave town, but he didn’t understand the relationship
with Jimena, and he can’t understand the way he left town either. Sebastián
suggests that it’s just Juan’s way of reconciling himself with life and Rafael
agrees that that is what they all have to do, beginning with Sebastián. He
tells his father that he’s trying to do so, beginning by taking care of Fardi. Rafael
tells him that this isn’t what he meant: he knows that only one woman can fill
his life. Sebastián doesn’t want to talk about this. She’s part of his past and
he wants to leave it like that. Rafael thinks this is too harsh but Sebastián
insists. Rafael cautions him that this kind of behavior can fester.
Magdalena is admiring Sashenka’s wedding
dress with Jovanka. Sashenka comes in and carries a beautiful gold necklace and
all admire it. Sashenka feels bad that Salome can’t be there with them and Magdalena
agrees. Jovanka tells them she doesn’t want to see sad faces: they have to
respect Salome’s decision. Sashenka can’t understand why Salome believes still
that misfortune follows her.
Escudero asks if Juan can actually sleep in
his tent and Juan agrees. A car approaches and it’s Jimena. Escudero’s glad
because it means that Juan won’t be alone after he leaves. She walks up and
greets the departing Escudero and Juan. Juan remarks that he thought she’d
forgotten about him but we know that’s not possible. She asks him how he’s been
and he says that he’s had better days. She wonders how long he’s going to hide
out, until he hears that Jovanka has married his brother? He tells her that his
brother is fine and without symptoms. Sebastián will soon find some time to
tell Rafael the news about his illness. She asks about Jovanka and he tells her
that there’s a great friendship between the two. She tells him that if it’s
only a friendship then his sacrifice has served for nothing. He disagrees. She
thinks it’s absurd that everyone thinks he’s with her, instead he’s in the
middle of nowhere. He thanks her for her silence but she tells him that she
loves him but doesn’t want him to continue with this farce. She had hoped he’d
forget Jovanka and come to love her but she knows better now. He asks her
forgiveness for having given her false hopes but she tells him this was never
the case. She always knew his feelings and she’ll never forget him but it’s
time for her to move on. They embrace.
Sashenka admires her dress in the mirror
and the women are happy. Sashenka tells Jovanka that she’s most happy that her
parents will be together by her side. Rafael enters and brings news that
Sebastián is going to search out Salome. They are all happy and all of a sudden
he lurches into a faint. They try to bring him out of his faint. He attributes
it to emotion.
Rafael is visiting the doctor and he tells
him that it’s a good thing he came by because he’d have thought that Juan would
have told him by now. Rafael’s confused. The doctor mentions that it’s clear
that they symptoms are appearing and this makes him more confused. The doctor
tells him that he has leukemia. He looks understandably stunned as he realizes
that this is a death sentence.
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Gran Final!
Rafael gets up in shock from his chair and
now realizes why his brother... he breaks off what he was about to say. He asks
how much time he has left. Months, maybe a year. The doctor wants to have him
enter a hospital for studies but Rafael refuses to end his days that way. He
asks the doctor to do the same favor for him as he did for Juan (maintain his
secret).
Sebastián asks a priest where Salomé went;
apparently she had just left shortly before he arrived. She’d had a vision that
he’d come for her and fled. The two men talk about how the priest knew from
Salomé that her visions had affected her greatly, that the burden of being, as
she saw it, the cause os so much tragedy was overwhelming and making her fear
for Sebastián’s life. Salomé left letters for him with the priest and left and
the priest hands them over to a numb Sebastián.
Rafael calms Escudero -- he’s apparently
just told him the news about the leukemia diagnosis -- who’s totally in shock
and upset about the news. He made Escudero promise to not tell anyone else
about it. He wants Escudero to do him a favor -- find his brother Juan. Escudero
tells him he’s in a predicament because... Rafael tells him that he knows that
Escudero knows where Juan is and he needs him to tell him where he is. Escudero
spills the beans. Rafael asks about Jimena and Escudero tells him that she’s
not with Juan, in spite of what everyone thinks. Rafael knew he was right in
his suspicions. He thanks Escudero.
Sebastián reads Salome’s letters on a pier
by the sea.
Magdalena brushes her hair before going to
bed. Jovanka enters and tells her that she’s learned from Sebastián that Salomé
won’t be coming home. She tells her how Salomé left just before he arrived.
This troubles them but Jovanka is sure somehow, someday Salomé will return to
the. She waxes on about this separation but Magdalena wants to raise another
topic: she tells Jovanka that she knows that her mother keeps thinking about
Juan. Jovanka won’t deny it. She reminisces that what she had with Juan was
love, even if it was for just a day. Magdalena doesn’t know how Juan could
involve himself with Jimena. Rafael enters and says that Jovanka should go seek
Juan. He apologizes for eavesdropping. He tells her that he knows that she
loves Juan and he loves her and he wants her to go find him. He tells her that
the business with Jimena was a lie, told to make his sick brother happy his
last days. This startles Jovanka. He tells her about the leukemia and how the
doctor told Juan first. Rafael tells her that he’s fine, that they did some new
tests, and Juan still thinks he’s got one foot in the grave. Juan’s busy sacrificing
himself for others again. She’s annoyed that Juan takes this upon himself,
especially when there’s been so much bad history with people making decisions
for others, such as Victoria for her sons and Salomé for Sebastián. Rafael
pleads his brother’s case but Jovanka reminds him of the kiss between Juan and
Jimena in her own house. Rafael asks, And if I could prove to you that you’re
mistaken? She looks at him, troubled.
Following him downstairs, Jovanka wonders
what he’s up to. Jimena is awaiting them downstairs and Jovanka reacts angrily
to her being in her house. This is proof to Jimena that Jovanka loves Juan and
she tells her that there was nothing between Juan and herself. She also tells
Jovanka that Juan was destroyed by the news that his brother was dying. She
tells of Juan’s idea to sacrifice himself for her and his brother. Jovanka asks
about the kiss and Jimena tells her that it was just to make her feel enough
jealousy to break off with Juan. She also tells her that it was her idea and
that she took him by surprise and it made him mad too with her, but he knew
that it was the only way. Jimena confesses how she tried to make him love her
but to no avail: Jovanka is the only woman in his life and if she doesn’t go
find him he’ll be the most miserable man in the world.
Onboard La Sirena, Vanya thanks Sebastián
for his help in a special service, to dunk Santa Sara in the sea. He explains
to Sebastián that it’s a ritual -- Santa Sara came from the sea and maybe if
she returns to it perhaps it will turn their luck around. In return, Sebastián
asks Vanya to ask Santa Sara for help in getting Salomé to return. Santa Sara
is tucked away in a glass case, ropes tied around the case. Sebastián kneels in
front and prays.
Jovanka gets in her Jeep and finds Juan. He
sees her drive up and is very surprised. She starts in and scolds him for
treating her the way he did. Calm down, he tells her but she’s furious. He’s
been gone for 3 months. She asks him how he could betray her like that -- she’s
furious about his plan to leave her to be with his brother and he wonders who
told her. She tells him that Jimena told him. He starts to tell her that Rafael
is dying but she rebuts that Rafael’s well.
Salomé is performing a purification ritual
tossing salt into a stream in some wooded area and lets the tray with the salt
float downstream. She’s in her gitana nightie.
Vanya prays over the submerging Santa Sara.
Sebastián reminds the statue of what he prayed for and he hopes that Santa Sara
was listening to him. Vanya assures him that she was indeed listening.
Suddenly, Drago sneaks up on them and pulls a gun. Apparently, he’s been hiding
out on La Sirena.
Salomé continues praying and asking for her
visions to go away. She doesn’t wish to know any more the future, she just
wants to love without fear. At that moment though she sees what’s going on on
La Sirena as Drago menaces Sebastián with a gun and is overcome with terror.
Juan thanks God that Rafael is healthy. He
wants to talk about what good news this is and how relieved he is and how he’s
been suffering but Jovanka tells him she’s not there to throw herself in his
arms and make things all better. She tells him that she doesn’t want to hear
what he thought or felt because she can’t help recalling how she spent that time
apart feeling humiliated, hurt, and abandoned. Juan insists that he didn’t stop
thinking about her not a single second he was apart from her but she can only
remark, What a pity.
Drago has decided to finish once and for
all with all those who were the instruments of his disgrace. Vanya starts to
tell him that he had no one to blame but himself and while Drago starts to tell
Vanya how he’s going to finish him off, Sebastián pulls a rope and it knocks
the gun from Drago’s hand. Vanya is wounded as the gun fires as it falls,
Sebastián goes for Drago and the two wrestle and fall overboard and disappear
down into the water without a trace. We hear the rotor of the engine catch as
if something is caught in the propeller and we see blood stain the water. Vanya
is distraught. Just then, up pops Aquaman, gasping for air and Vanya throws him
a line.
Salomé reads her palm and sees that
Sebastián has been saved and she thanks Santa Sara. Overcome with joy and
relieve she clasps her hands.
Juan pleads with Jovanka and tries to
explain himself. I was a coward and mistaken but remember I thought my brother
was at the end of his life about to die. How could he think of his own
happiness at a time like that, knowing how Rafael felt about her. But you were
willing to sacrifice me, she reminds him. Juan pleads with her. Without you
there was nothing in the world to give me one grain of happiness. I love you
and maybe I have no right to tell you but you’re the only thing I love. She
looks at him with teary eyes and then resolutely marches back to her Jeep and
drives off, leaving a desolate Juan with a backward glance.
The next day, it’s wedding day for the
girls. Mirko returns to the tribe in a gayó suit. Vinka and Paska asks where
his wife is and all chuckle. Vanya tells him that an angel is standing behind
them. It’s Sandra who’s dressed like a gitana and she leaves Mirko speechless.
He tells her how beautiful she is (in her two piece red chiffony midriff top
and skirt, red lipstick and hair scarf). She tells him that she is always going
to dress like this. She asks Vanya for a blessing for herself and her husband
and for him to accept her as another member of the tribe. She tells Mirko that
he never felt at home with her people, let her be part of his people. Besides,
Vanya said that they need a teacher for the children. Vanya hugs her and
agrees.
The town is assembled for the weddings.
Bands play and everyone’s dressed up. Rafael dances with Fardi and Sebastián
smiles and dances along with them. They’re all waiting for the arrival of the
gitanos. Sebastián tells his father that he’s seen a change in him since they
learned that he doesn’t have leukemia. Rafael tells him that he has decided to
travel, but he’ll come back.
Jovanka on the balcony thanks the people
for attending the wedding. She reminds them of the first time she spoke to
them, issuing that memorable and unjust curse, on an undeserving and wonderful
man. She talks about how things have changed and thanks everyone for showing
them love and support. She thanks Rafael in particular for being a marvelous
man. All applaud. She invites them all to join the gitano wedding at the camp.
The brides exit the house in all their finery and pass amongst the crowds and
enter the convertible. Jovanka comes out too and kisses Rafael and Sebastián
and someone sets off fireworks. They wave to the girls as they set off.
Everyone claps, a band plays, and the people follow happily behind. Sebastián
stays behind with Fardi, watching them go and he’s alone in front of the house,
holding his son. He turns to go the opposite direction, melancholy. He wanders
through the town, slowly and sits Fardi down to play, kissing his head. He
tells him that he can’t imagine how his mother looked when he stole him (Fardi)
from her. Her eyes were so large and beautiful... He tells Fardi how his mother
is the most beautiful woman of all, the only woman he has ever loved. Cue
Salome’s entrance. She walks up at that moment, dressed for the wedding and
Fardi reaches out to her and Sebastián does too as she calls out to him, “My
loves!” Lover and son rise together to reach for her, so the single greeting
covers them both. Salomé shows Sebastián her hand and tells him that the mark
of ill destiny has been washed away. He holds her close and asks her, Why were you
away so long? He leans to kiss her and she tells him that she has no more
fears. They kiss long and deeply.
At the camp, everyone’s dancing up a storm,
led by Branko. Camila and Mario kiss, Mirko and Sandra dance, Rafael and Ofelia
hug, Adela and Alfredo dance and she scolds him for stepping on her shoes but
he kisses away her scolding words. Juan strolls up, slowly and comes to Rafael
and hugs him closely and asks if he’s well. Rafael swears that he is and they
hug again. Rafael tells him that they’ve been waiting for him and they look
over at Jovanka. Vanya calls them to attention and asks the brides to come
forward. Everyone applauds and cheers and they walk through the crowd. Salomé
and Sebastián come forward and Salomé runs to her sisters and hugs them, then
turns to her mother and hugs her close. My three Marias, together. Sebastián
steps forward and kisses Salomé too. They kiss again and again.
Vanya blesses the wedding couple. He pours
the salt and wine into the broken loaf of bread and says, As with the salt, the
bread and wine are united, those who love are united. He calls out to Salomé
and Sebastián to step forward and be also united in matrimony too. They smile
at each other and step forward eagerly. Salomé practically floats forward, and it’s
very convenient that her dress is silvery and sparkly and Sebastián has on a
white suit! Vanya hands the bread to each of the girls, and then to the men and
then smiles. Magdalena pledges love and fidelity to Claudio and feeds him the
bread. He pledges the same in return to his wife and feeds her the bread too.
Salomé takes her turn and makes her pledge, emphasizing ‘forever’, and he
repeats his pledge and offers all his love and fidelity forever. They laugh.
It’s Sashenka’s turn and she beams at Jonas and gives her vows. His shining
white teeth gleam as he repeats his. Vanya announces to all that they are
united and they reject intolerance forever. The nuptial couples kiss and kiss
and kiss and kiss. Vanya hugs Milenka close and smiles at her tenderly and gets
his kiss too. Branko hops onstage and starts dancing and there are more kisses
all around. Sashenka and Jonas dance and kiss. Mirko and Sandra kiss. Magdalena
and Sashenka get up on the shoulders of their husbands and dance. Juan circles
around to Jovanka and puts his hands on her shoulders and draws her aside. She
follows him and when they’re alone asks him to let her go. We have to talk, he
tells her. We’ve overcome so many obstacles, can’t you forgive me this last
one? He asks her to remember what they’ve forgiven of themselves and of others,
and how much they’ve loved each other. Nothing can/should impede us from being
together. He leans forward and kisses her and she responds willingly. Rafael
looks on from a distance and smiles benevolently. Ofelia sees him and asks if
he’s well. He reassures her and notes how she’s always understood him. He asks
her if she’s ever had a desire to visit another country. He kisses her and it
grows into a passionate kiss. Aside, Jovanka surprises Juan by quietly repeating
the wedding vows; she promises love and fidelity to Juan also, forever. Juan
repeats the wedding promise as well. They kiss tenderly, again and again and
the camera pans out to show the dancing crowd.
Fin
PS - The camera pans across various family photos. We hear the voice of Rafael speaking. Rafael tells us that the doctors said that he’d be dead a long time ago but now it’s 3 years later and he’s still alive. They say it’s some form of a miracle, but he attributes it to love. We see him sitting at a writing desk, surrounded by photos, including one with Jovanka and Juan and a baby, as if he’s written this story as a novel and he’s finished the last paragraph. Rafael finishes by saying that he lives now as a gitano.
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